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Hair analysis can reveal issues such as vitamin and mineral deficiencies over the previous months, and it is claimed to show evidence of heavy metals accumulations in the body, etc. There's a good and a bad side to this. The good side is that sometimes it can highlight an issue that does indeed need to be corrected. The bad part is that there seem to be many practitioners out there who persuade many people who submit to those tests, to follow up with chelation therapy, and various other "detox" programs that often are not necessarily beneficial for the patient, but they're obviously beneficial for the practitioner's bank account, especially since they're usually the ones selling the "potions" that are recommended to correct the problems.

I have no doubt that, as you mentioned, if I had requested a hair analysis back when I was reacting, it almost certainly would have shown all sorts of bad things, but I also feel that as I got my symptoms under control, those issues disappeared on their own, without having to deal with any extraordinary treatments, (other than cutting my food intolerances out of my diet, and taking vitamin supplements to counter the malabsorption problem.

But that's just my opinion, and it's free, so it's not worth much. :lol:

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Thanks for the advice. I do end up wearing a bit of dinner lately and it seems to be getting worse. Blueberry stains like crazy anyway and I suspect super blueberry is indelible. Never thought I'd ever drink vodka again, but never say never.
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I had this done a few years back (pre-MC) when I was going through a particularly long, stressful time. My chiro suspected my adrenals were fatigued. What I remember most was I had extremely high copper readings which, according to him, was indicative of adrenal issues. He put me on TONS ($$$) of supplements which may or may not have helped but I did eventually feel less stressful and started sleeping (somewhat) again so who knows?
He also said my calcium levels in my blood were high which was not a good thing as it meant my body wasn't absorbing it very well. As my bone density levels aren't the greatest, that may be true.
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Hypercalcaemia is usually caused by hyperparathyroidism, whereby the parathyroid glands produce too much parathyroid hormone, (PTH). Normally, the parathyroid glands and vitamin D regulate calcium balance in the body. And yes, the condition can rob calcium from bone.

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Sheila,

If 'wearing dinner' is new for you, it could be a symptom, believe it or not... and might improve when the various benefits of your diet adjustments start to kick in. You might consider supplementing with a GF/DF/??F B-vitamin - maybe when you get your Enterolab results and start planning your course of action. (I wouldn't start it in a hurry - I felt better when I replaced my B-complex with a new brand, and that's the last thing you need to tinker with till you get your regular diet figured out.)

I do tend to see gluten symptoms everywhere. But neurological symptoms like balance issues, coordination, and tremors are definitely associated with gluten (though maybe not all GI docs are up to speed on that... and maybe not all neurologists, either). I am amazed at how much better my balance has gotten in a few months, and I was not aware that it was gradually getting worse - till it started to get better again. I also had numbness in thumb-forefinger of one hand, and it too has almost completely gone away.

You *of course* might not even have gluten sensitivity - much less neurological problems from it - so please take this with a grain of salt. (Yummy, yummy, GF salt.)

Never say never, indeed. Many potato vodkas are delicious... though I doubt they remove the blueberry stains! I have been a fan of 'Just Cranberry' for years - it is extremely strong and unsweetened, and a tiny dot in a glass of water is plenty. I believe it is higher in histamine than blueberries, but individual tolerances vary, and - the amount of histamine in the drop cannot be huge, so a minor risk unless mast cell problems are severe. It would make a very pretty pink-drink, diluted with enough seltzer. And potato vodka.

In theory, I understand the idea that gluten doesn't survive the commercial distilling process. In practice - I'm glad there's potato vodka. I drink just about no 'hard' liquor at all, but then... I wasn't eating meat, either, till it turned out I couldn't eat gluten grains, dairy, or eggs... and I just couldn't keep crossing out food groups, since they don't make up new ones.

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I never did tolerate vodka well and doubt I would do much better now. I loved my wine while making dinner, so-o relaxing, making a daily task a lot more enjoyable. Hopefully, when I get straightened out :-) I'll be able to have wine again.

I am still "flaring". Up most of the night. I took 2 immodium about 1:30 a.m. but they really didn't help much, just gave me abdominal pains. When I let the D go all night and don't try to stop it with immodium, it stops on its own in the a.m. after breakfast. I read somewhere here in this blog that night time D is a symptom of MC. (?) I do occasionally have problems during the day but the worst of it is usually at night. I guess it is best just to let it run its course during the night and have a reasonable chance of no D during the day. The last stretch of night time D lasted 2 months + and I dread going through that again. You all have gone through the same or worse but it does make me feel better to whine a bit.

BTW, I do have occasional numbness in my fingers. I attributed it to a repetitive injury due to knitting/crocheting for hours. The thumb joint in women is prone to arthritic pain and stiffness. I sleep with a splint on my right hand and lower arm and it has improved the pain level when using my right hand. There is probably an immune system connection there, too. I have also noticed that my other allergies are worse, sneezing, conjunctivitis etc. They used to be seasonal and not nearly so bad. I attributed the fatigue to the D causing my body to lose electrolytes. I drink propel on the advice of my GI doc. I get weird toe cramps, kind of looks like "Spock" toes. I was told that was probably due to damage to nerves caused by my spinal fusion. They just started this year and the fusion happened 4 years ago. HMMM. Lots of things happening that could be connected to the MC that I thought was old age creeping up on me.

I'm going to Whole Foods and load up on gluten free food. It can't hurt and I hope it helps.

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Sheila,

You go right ahead and whine ;) I also thought my numbness was something like repetitive stress, and was chocking a few oddball twinges up to aging.

That Propel might have ingredients that aren't sitting well with you. You might try taking a few days off from drinking it, and if that helps with D, you can replace the vitamins it provides with a safer source. It's nice to sleep through the night! There are better food detectives than me who might chime in, but the ingredients in Propel that made me raise an eyebrow are: citric acid and all those citrates, which might be from corn (?), and even more so, sucralose (google sucralose + diarrhea - YIKES!).

Hope you see improvement soon on all fronts,

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Thank you, re propel. I need to read labels. I know I have to stay away from most artificial sweeteners. I had a horrible reaction when visiting a friend in the hospital and he offered his diabetic candy to everyone. Being a chocoholic, I helped myself. ( He didn't want them and I wasn't depriving a sick person of his candy.) Wow, what a reaction and a lesson learned about artificial sweeteners. I never even looked at the propel label because my doctor told me drink it. Duh!! I do eat/drink stuff that is labeled "diet" and I had better check those again. I do use saccharine and I know it isn't good for you. I've been putting it in my tea for probably 50 years and think it isn't as bad as some of the other stuff. I really don't need diet food because I'm pretty thin. I don't know why I do it. Habit, I guess. THanks for the heads up re propel.
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Sheila - if those sweeteners are a known problem for you, that's actually great news, because you can drop at least one of your problems in one fell swoop!

I know what you mean about habit. I have a friend who eats almost only fresh, local, and even wild food. She knows her meat farmers and vegetable growers by name, she forages for wild food... and she puts some crazy chemical creamer in her coffee. She feels about about it, but it's just one of her "things."

Don't kick yourself. I'm still finding things in my pantry I need to get rid off, 3 months into this process.

Hope this does (at least some of) the trick,

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Dear Sheila

Not sure I welcomed you, so WELCOME from Hong Kong!.

Not much to add at this late stage in the discussion.....except that as long as there is not added sulfur a little wine seems to sit with me quite well :grin:

In fact I have a sense it helps me digest food (but maybe I am just rationalizing what I want).

I had a hair mineral test a year or so ago and it told me what I know - I was/am malabsorbing. IMHO, only solution to that..... is diet (and maybe meds) to calm the gut....... and GF, DF, SF supplements.

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I'm still finding things in my pantry I need to get rid off, 3 months into this process
I was disheartened to learn that nearly all my oriental sauces/seasonings contain wheat. I've got a mini refrigerator filled with just them. It looks like
I'm going to have to remake them from scratch. Oh well, at least I'll know what's in them. :)
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I've been gluten free for three whole days, D is worse, not better. I realize it will take a long time for the inflammation to go away and things to calm down. I am waiting for the results from Entero Lab so I don't know exactly what my sensitivities include. I'm taking Asacol and I notice most of you, if you take a med, take Entocort. Is Asacol the first drug that is tried with people who are newly diagnosed? I notice that people seem to be going on and off Entocort frequently. Is there a reason for this other than just not wanting to take a very expensive drug? I got my Mom's Entocort through a Canadian pharmacy and it was less expensive.

How long, Oh Lord, until the D subsides when you go gluten free?? Can someone recommend a GF bread that tastes like bread? Has anyone else discovered that rice cakes taste much better smothered in Nutella?? I have read posts from people who don't seem to have gotten any relief regardless of diet and drugs. Is MC sometimes refractory with any kind of treatment?

Thanks, again for listening.

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Sheila,

I took Asacol many years ago, and didn't think it helped me much, but in retrospect, I didn't understand much about MC (no idea at all about the diet connection). I do believe some people have been helped by it.

If you've added a lot of packaged GF products to your diet, there could be an ingredient (or more than one) that doesn't agree with you. Even some rice cakes have ingredients that I avoid. I can't eat Nutella, because it contains dairy and soy. When I was first flaring, the sugar in Nutella and the nuts would have messed me up royally, but now I eat nuts in many ways, and some sweetness is fine.

I would go hard-core for subtracting rather than adding foods, till you get the D under control. My heart goes out to you, I know how miserable and debilitating that is. For me, stopping that was the only priority. I've eaten a lot of great food in my life, and plan to eat a lot more, but during those first weeks, flavor took a total back seat. Your research into various GF breads will be so much less stressful and more enjoyable once you're feeling well.

That might sound like deprivation, but I am certain that I got more foods "back" much faster by taking this draconian approach at the outset. If I had tried to eliminate possible problem foods one by one, I never would have known what was working and what was to blame.

Since I'm kind of a broken record about this dietary stuff, I must add that I also used Pepto-Bismol for the first week or so.

As Tex has often said, only someone who has been through this can understand, and we do know how exhausting and frustrating MC can be. (Having said that, it affects those around us, too - recently I drank too much water late in the evening, and when I got up to pee in the middle of the night, my husband cried out "Are you OK?" with real alarm... and I don't think he even woke up.)

I truly hope you get some relief soon,

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Sheila,

Many docs are reluctant to prescribe Entocort, because they consider it to be just as risky as the other corticosteroids. It's not, because only 10 to 15% of it is absorbed into the bloodstream - the rest goes into the lower third of the small intestine, and the colon, where it can do the most good. That's why they prescribe Asacol first, because they consider it to be a "safer" drug. Asacol is an old drug, so more docs are well acquainted with it - Entocort is newer, and, as I mentioned, most docs don't realize that it is far safer to use than traditional corticosteroids.

The biggest problem with Asacol, is that it contains lactose, so that many members here react to it, and it makes their D worse, rather than better. Also, long term use, (in a few cases), has been shown to be connected with pancreatitis, (inflammation of the pancreas). This is a possibility for any of the mesalamine-based meds, however. Most of the other mesalamine-based meds do not contain lactose, so they are better choices for treating someone with MC. Since most GI docs still do not realize that diet affects MC, they don't worry about ingredients in drugs. Even for the ones who do understand the connection between food-sensitivities and MC, most docs would consider Asacol to be a safe choice, because pharmaceutical grade lactose is supposed to be pure, (free of casein). Apparently, though, it is not, because many/most people on this board, who are sensitive to casein, cannot use drugs that contain lactose, without reacting.

Entocort is labeled for a recommended treatment period of up to 8 weeks, so most GI docs limit their prescription to that duration, even though the patient virtually always relapses after the treatment period ends, because that is not anywhere near long enough to allow healing of the gut. It's not even labeled for MC, of course, (no drug is) - it's only labeled for Crohn's disease. So many GI docs are overly-cautions, in order to cover their butts.

For all practical purposes, Asacol is just about as expensive as Entocort, which is ridiculous, for such an old drug, that's relatively cheap to manufacture.

Try Udi's bread for ready-made. If you bake your own, BreadsFromAnna, (Gluten Evolution), sells some great mixes, for various food sensitivities. Pamela's Products makes the best GF pancake mix, but be aware that it contains cultured buttermilk, and tapioca flour, to which some people are sensitive. Pamela's mix is even better than the mixes that contain wheat flour, IMO.

Sheila wrote:I have read posts from people who don't seem to have gotten any relief regardless of diet and drugs. Is MC sometimes refractory with any kind of treatment?
Well, it sometimes appears that way, but just like refractory celiacs, in virtually all such cases, they simply have undiscovered food-sensitivities that still remain in their diet. Either they are accidentally ingesting traces of a food that they believe they are avoiding, or there is one or more foods that they react to, that they are unaware of. It can be extremely difficult to track down all of the food sensitivities, in some cases, especially for individuals with double DQ genes.

Sometimes we seem to get worse, before we get better, after starting the diet, but if I were in your shoes, I would be suspicious of the Asacol, because a fairly significant percentage of members here, cannot tolerate it.

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Thanks so much for the advice, Tex. I'll contact my GI doc about entocort. He's pretty well informed and willing to listen to alternatives. He did laugh at the Boswellia info but promised to read it.

I think you are right, Sara, and I shouldn't be trying to eat everything GF all at once. I've tried gluten free waffles, bread, rice cakes and nutella, etc etc. I miss bagels like crazy and otherwise don't like breakfast at all. I'm just hungry and keep losing weight and eating a big hunk of chicken doesn't turn me on. I bought some Udi's bread and I'll stick with a simple eggs and toast breakfast and keep it simple for lunch and dinner. My husband gets more upset than I do when the D starts big time. He cared for his late wife for 4 years while she was dying of leukemia and I think he's afraid I'm going to go prematurely, too. He keeps telling me to go back to the doctor and I keep explaining the obvious. However, I do think a change to Entocort might be a good idea. I need to stop eating Lactaid ice cream even though it hasn't bothered me in the past. Not happy about that at all. Thanks again, and again, I love this site. It has helped so much just sitting and reading all of the old posts and learning as I go. Now if only I would take some of that advice and stop eating "bad" goodies, I'd be in better shape.
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