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I decided I need to try the elimination diet to see what's causing it.
So, day one.
Any food is giving me heartburn and nausea. Even chicken breast with potato. Just swallowing it is hard. I just ate and I feel horrible.
trying the elimination diet.
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trying the elimination diet.
Horrible attacks of nausea and heartburn. Worse than anything I have felt yet and I have had some bad ones. Caused by a BANANA!
I decided I need to try the elimination diet to see what's causing it.
So, day one.
Any food is giving me heartburn and nausea. Even chicken breast with potato. Just swallowing it is hard. I just ate and I feel horrible.
I decided I need to try the elimination diet to see what's causing it.
So, day one.
Any food is giving me heartburn and nausea. Even chicken breast with potato. Just swallowing it is hard. I just ate and I feel horrible.
Lesley,
Sorry to hear you're feeling miserable. At our lowest point, even foods we later find to be "friendly" can cause us to react. Hopefully plain eating will get you to the point where you can figure out which foods are your true friends.
When I was at rock bottom, everything seemed to make me sick. A few gallons of homemade chicken broth later (with some turkey broth in there for 'variety'), things started getting clearer. Until you stop having awful symptoms, everything can seem like a problem, so you're wise to start out super-simple, till things settle down (hopefully soon!).
Sorry, I've forgotten whether you're using any medication to get you over this hump - are you doing Pepto or Imodium or any prescription drugs at this time?
Wishing you well,
Sara
Sorry to hear you're feeling miserable. At our lowest point, even foods we later find to be "friendly" can cause us to react. Hopefully plain eating will get you to the point where you can figure out which foods are your true friends.
When I was at rock bottom, everything seemed to make me sick. A few gallons of homemade chicken broth later (with some turkey broth in there for 'variety'), things started getting clearer. Until you stop having awful symptoms, everything can seem like a problem, so you're wise to start out super-simple, till things settle down (hopefully soon!).
Sorry, I've forgotten whether you're using any medication to get you over this hump - are you doing Pepto or Imodium or any prescription drugs at this time?
Wishing you well,
Sara
Garina,
I must admit that 'bland' was not a problem for me at my sickest, because I was so miserable...
We have used chicken backs (we can sometimes get them for a great price). We also have added carrots, celery, onions, and potatoes - only after I was feeling better did I actually eat them. Doing a little saute on the onions/carrots/celery (and garlic?) can help - we have sometimes added ginger, depending.
A bony cut, like chicken necks/backs really helps the consistency, and is very soothing.
And of course, there is always the miracle ingredient of a little sprinkle of salt!
We have used GF broths - for years, before MC, we often bought chicken broth because it's such an easy addition to various dishes. They are *so* much less tasty than what we can make, though - I sometimes freeze some broth, and am considering learning how to preserve them by canning, in mason jars. The quality difference is amazing, but I don't have freezer space for the amount I can use. (I have a friend who is a master-preserver - I'm hoping she'll come over for a tutorial.)
Hope this helps - I don't think I'm an authority on this, in honesty, but this has been very helpful to me.
Love,
Sara
I must admit that 'bland' was not a problem for me at my sickest, because I was so miserable...
We have used chicken backs (we can sometimes get them for a great price). We also have added carrots, celery, onions, and potatoes - only after I was feeling better did I actually eat them. Doing a little saute on the onions/carrots/celery (and garlic?) can help - we have sometimes added ginger, depending.
A bony cut, like chicken necks/backs really helps the consistency, and is very soothing.
And of course, there is always the miracle ingredient of a little sprinkle of salt!
We have used GF broths - for years, before MC, we often bought chicken broth because it's such an easy addition to various dishes. They are *so* much less tasty than what we can make, though - I sometimes freeze some broth, and am considering learning how to preserve them by canning, in mason jars. The quality difference is amazing, but I don't have freezer space for the amount I can use. (I have a friend who is a master-preserver - I'm hoping she'll come over for a tutorial.)
Hope this helps - I don't think I'm an authority on this, in honesty, but this has been very helpful to me.
Love,
Sara
Sara,
Your explanation on broth helps a great deal. I am going to start making broth more often, and doing it your way. I eat so much boiled chicken as it is one of the foods that sits well with my tummy issues. So, I do have lots of broth. I always just added more store-bought to give it more flavor, but I really don't want to do that. Anything that can be made from scratch with all natural additions is so much better for MC, I believe.
I had not used chicken backs or necks, but that would be a good cost effective addition to flavor, along with the ginger. All great ideas. I absolutely love chicken soup, chicken anything, and I'm grateful for your help.
I would be interested in how the preserving/canning of the broth turns out. Another great idea.
Thanks so much.
garina
Your explanation on broth helps a great deal. I am going to start making broth more often, and doing it your way. I eat so much boiled chicken as it is one of the foods that sits well with my tummy issues. So, I do have lots of broth. I always just added more store-bought to give it more flavor, but I really don't want to do that. Anything that can be made from scratch with all natural additions is so much better for MC, I believe.
I had not used chicken backs or necks, but that would be a good cost effective addition to flavor, along with the ginger. All great ideas. I absolutely love chicken soup, chicken anything, and I'm grateful for your help.
I would be interested in how the preserving/canning of the broth turns out. Another great idea.
Thanks so much.
garina
Garina,
Do keep us posted - I love chicken-everything, too. We also have had very good experience with turkey broth - and as Thanksgiving season is ahead, turkey necks/wings/etc. are good to look out for.
Our fellow-member Gloria is a master-preserver, much more than I am. I will let you know how the broth-canning project goes, when I get around to it. My mom used to freeze pints, in Tupperware - nowadays you can use those snap-lock things (if you have a big enough freezer).
Long, slow cooking, and some skimming, are also part of our broth magic.
Good luck, and hope you're feeling better and better,
Sara
Do keep us posted - I love chicken-everything, too. We also have had very good experience with turkey broth - and as Thanksgiving season is ahead, turkey necks/wings/etc. are good to look out for.
Our fellow-member Gloria is a master-preserver, much more than I am. I will let you know how the broth-canning project goes, when I get around to it. My mom used to freeze pints, in Tupperware - nowadays you can use those snap-lock things (if you have a big enough freezer).
Long, slow cooking, and some skimming, are also part of our broth magic.
Good luck, and hope you're feeling better and better,
Sara
Lesley and Garina,
I tried the elimination diet and did much worse - I found out later through the MRT test that I was highly reactive to chicken. Turkey was very low on the MRT test. I now make my own turkey broth in a manner similar to Sara's chicken broth. I am sensitive to almost everything, so I keep the ingredients very simple. I add celery, sage leaves, and parsley leaves for flavor. I grow sage and parsley in my garden and have even found some sage thriving during the winter. Salt helps give it flavor too, of course. After it's simmered for several hours, I strain everything by pouring it through a layer of pellon in a strainer. I'm left with just the broth, which I can for use over the next several weeks. Broth requires much less processing time than soup with meat and vegetables.
I used to add rice, turkey and asparagus to the broth when I prepared the soup. You can add any vegetables you desire. I can no longer eat rice, so I just add turkey and asparagus; sometimes I'll add broccoli and cauliflower. It is very soothing to the gut.
Gloria
I tried the elimination diet and did much worse - I found out later through the MRT test that I was highly reactive to chicken. Turkey was very low on the MRT test. I now make my own turkey broth in a manner similar to Sara's chicken broth. I am sensitive to almost everything, so I keep the ingredients very simple. I add celery, sage leaves, and parsley leaves for flavor. I grow sage and parsley in my garden and have even found some sage thriving during the winter. Salt helps give it flavor too, of course. After it's simmered for several hours, I strain everything by pouring it through a layer of pellon in a strainer. I'm left with just the broth, which I can for use over the next several weeks. Broth requires much less processing time than soup with meat and vegetables.
I used to add rice, turkey and asparagus to the broth when I prepared the soup. You can add any vegetables you desire. I can no longer eat rice, so I just add turkey and asparagus; sometimes I'll add broccoli and cauliflower. It is very soothing to the gut.
Gloria
You never know what you can do until you have to do it.
Finding out
What's OK and what isn't.
Right now, given the C, the heartburn and the nausea it's hard to swallow anything.
Things I thought would give me a problem don't while others make it so much worse.
I have a real problem with dry mouth, and am not allowed much "free water" because of my electrolyte problem, so chewing gum helps me a lot, and I find having the salivary stimulation seems to help the heartburn. Given that I have never chewed gum this is a very new departure for me.
I guess we really have to find out our own way, don't we? But it's hard in a flare to figure stuff out because everything causes something.
I have been on a lot of meds for years. I am sure misdiagnosis and the meds caused this current mess. When I am through coming off prednisone (3 1/2 weeks!) I will see about getting off EVERYTHING else, even if I have to go into rehab to do it.
I will never get rid of pain meds in some form or another, but I have to find a delivery system that does not go through my gut. There are solutions. I have to figure out the what and how of it.
Everything takes time I guess.
I am Jewish and an expert chicken broth maker. I have some frozen right now. I will get it out, and put rice into it and see how I do with that.
Thanks guys.
Thanks
Right now, given the C, the heartburn and the nausea it's hard to swallow anything.
Things I thought would give me a problem don't while others make it so much worse.
I have a real problem with dry mouth, and am not allowed much "free water" because of my electrolyte problem, so chewing gum helps me a lot, and I find having the salivary stimulation seems to help the heartburn. Given that I have never chewed gum this is a very new departure for me.
I guess we really have to find out our own way, don't we? But it's hard in a flare to figure stuff out because everything causes something.
I have been on a lot of meds for years. I am sure misdiagnosis and the meds caused this current mess. When I am through coming off prednisone (3 1/2 weeks!) I will see about getting off EVERYTHING else, even if I have to go into rehab to do it.
I will never get rid of pain meds in some form or another, but I have to find a delivery system that does not go through my gut. There are solutions. I have to figure out the what and how of it.
Everything takes time I guess.
I am Jewish and an expert chicken broth maker. I have some frozen right now. I will get it out, and put rice into it and see how I do with that.
Thanks guys.
Thanks
Sara - chicken broth.
I boil the broth down until it is really concentrated and freeze it in ice trays. Then move them to ziplock bags and pull one out to add to anything I make. I also use a lot of it, and find that my own is so much better than any bought ones could be. I can store a lot of it as ice cubes.
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Sara,
Thank you for your kind words. I do feel better, and a bonus for me is my acid reflux that I've had for many years, is just about gone, having gone GF/DF. The Pepto seems to be working, also...little less D, so I'm optimistic, and we leave on Tuesday, so this all couldn't have come at a better time.
Gloria,
How awful to be sensitive to chicken. It is such a mainstay. But, I'm glad you can eat turkey. I am looking forward to doing the MRT testing, as I think that will really tell us individually, as it has you, what we have to eliminate in order to get well. Thanks for the hints on broth. I'm finding out that the gut really does determine how we live.
Lesley,
Freezing broth in ice trays is a great idea. Thanks for sharing that.
garina
Thank you for your kind words. I do feel better, and a bonus for me is my acid reflux that I've had for many years, is just about gone, having gone GF/DF. The Pepto seems to be working, also...little less D, so I'm optimistic, and we leave on Tuesday, so this all couldn't have come at a better time.
Gloria,
How awful to be sensitive to chicken. It is such a mainstay. But, I'm glad you can eat turkey. I am looking forward to doing the MRT testing, as I think that will really tell us individually, as it has you, what we have to eliminate in order to get well. Thanks for the hints on broth. I'm finding out that the gut really does determine how we live.
Lesley,
Freezing broth in ice trays is a great idea. Thanks for sharing that.
garina
In addition to the soy lecithin problem, and aspartame, (which many of us react to), most gum contains one or more of the sugar alcohols, xylitol, manitol, maltitol, or sorbitol. Many of us, (including me), react to the sugar alcohols, and soy lecithins are a problem for anyone who is sensitive to soy. Then there is the persistent claim that most gum manufacturers dust their conveyor belts with wheat flour, to prevent the gum from sticking. Probably, many of them use corn flour, instead, but it's almost impossible to track down the details on issues such as this. I just don't chew gum, anymore.
That said, Trident states on their website that all their products are gluten-free, and Glee gum not only makes that claim, but also includes a link that will allow you to buy a kit that you can use to make your own gum, (so that you will know exactly what's in it). Except for people sensitive to corn, the ingredients should be safe for virtually anyone else, (CONFECTIONER’S SUGAR (SUGAR, CORN STARCH), CHEWING GUM BASE, CORN SYRUP, NATURAL CINNAMON FLAVOR, NATURAL CHERRY FLAVOR).
http://www.gleegum.com/make-gum-kit.htm
Wrigley, for example, states on their website that all of their products are wheat free, but they don't mention barley or rye, which leaves me suspicious.
Tex
That said, Trident states on their website that all their products are gluten-free, and Glee gum not only makes that claim, but also includes a link that will allow you to buy a kit that you can use to make your own gum, (so that you will know exactly what's in it). Except for people sensitive to corn, the ingredients should be safe for virtually anyone else, (CONFECTIONER’S SUGAR (SUGAR, CORN STARCH), CHEWING GUM BASE, CORN SYRUP, NATURAL CINNAMON FLAVOR, NATURAL CHERRY FLAVOR).
http://www.gleegum.com/make-gum-kit.htm
Wrigley, for example, states on their website that all of their products are wheat free, but they don't mention barley or rye, which leaves me suspicious.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Thank you for your info on gum!
I will look into the ones you recommended Tex, and also the making of it. I make my own sunscreen, so why not gum? So far it doesn't seem to have triggered the D, but maybe the C?
I don't seem to be sensitive to corn. But I have to watch out for everything right now, especially till I get out of the C without triggering the D. And get an attack of the GERD. I have to be able to get off the NSAIDS, as well as other foods.
Another food that doesn't seem to cause the GERD, are eggs. At least not until now. I am hoping it doesn't hurt me.
YW for the chicken soup fix. I have been using it for stocks for decades.
I don't seem to be sensitive to corn. But I have to watch out for everything right now, especially till I get out of the C without triggering the D. And get an attack of the GERD. I have to be able to get off the NSAIDS, as well as other foods.
Another food that doesn't seem to cause the GERD, are eggs. At least not until now. I am hoping it doesn't hurt me.
YW for the chicken soup fix. I have been using it for stocks for decades.