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Got my GI to fax me the results of my colonoscopy and bloodwork today, and I feel like I'm reading a foreign language. Results are as follows:

Celiac:
Tissue Transglutaminase IgA: 1
Deaminated Gliadin IgG: 2
Deaminated Gliadin IGA: 4

Hematology:
everything was in normal range with the exception of WBC (3.8)

Results of labwork from biopsy:
"Sections show fragments of mucosa showing a pattern of non-specific colitis. The surface epithelium is intact with no evidence of dysplasia. Scattered inflammatory cells are present within the surface epithelium. The collegen basement membrane layer is of normal thickness. The lamina propria is expanded with edema and mixed inflammatory cells. No significant cryptitis, crypt abcesses or granulomas are seen. No dysplasia is identified."

The GI's assessment of the colonoscopy was that everything looked normal with the exception of some non-bleeding internal hemorrhoids and that there was nothing to account for the abdominal pain or diarrhea.

His recommendation is that I take Immodium as needed. No ideas as to what's causing it.

I look forward to hearing the forum's interpretation of these results--I certainly can't make heads or tails of them!

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The blood test resuits are negative for celiac disease markers, as expected.

Your white cell count is slightly low.

I have to disagree with your GI doc's interpretation of that pathology report. I wonder where he got his training.
"Sections show fragments of mucosa showing a pattern of non-specific colitis. The surface epithelium is intact with no evidence of dysplasia. Scattered inflammatory cells are present within the surface epithelium. The collegen basement membrane layer is of normal thickness. The lamina propria is expanded with edema and mixed inflammatory cells. No significant cryptitis, crypt abcesses or granulomas are seen. No dysplasia is identified."
That describes lymphocytic colitis about as clearly as you will ever see it described. Non-specific colitis is another name for MC. No collagenous colitis is indicated in that description, however, (since your collagen bands remain at normal thickness). Your biopsies show no signs of cancer, Crohn's disease, or UC. The presence of lymphocytes in both the epithelium and in the lamina propria clearly indicate LC, however.

I notice that your doctor "conveniently" left off the pathologist's diagnosis. It should have been on there. I'm betting that it said something to the effect of, "indications suggest lymphocytic colitis", but your GI doc didn't want you to see that, so he just sort of conveniently left it off. :roll:

At least that's how I see it.

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It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Tex,

Individuals with irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) do not have colitis, even though this condition is sometimes referred to as having "spastic colitis." These individuals may have symptoms that mimic colitis such as diarrhea, abdominal pain, and mucous in stool. Nevertheless, there is no inflammation of the colon (not even microscopic colitis) in patients with IBS. (From medicinet.com)
My head is spinning. I just can't believe that a doctor could read my report and conclude that there was nothing wrong with me. I have read the stories of so many people on this forum who started out like I did, and progressively got worse until their symptoms were completely out of control. That's terrifying to me. If I hadn't found this forum, I probably would have accepted the IBS diagnosis and lived with it.

So, what's your suggestion? Do I even try to get a second opinion?
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draperygoddess wrote:So, what's your suggestion? Do I even try to get a second opinion?
Do you understand what the quote that you posted implies? What it says is that if inflammation is present, then IBS is ruled out, (by definition, since IBS does not actually exist - IBS is what a doctor claims a patient has, when he or she can't figure out what's actually wrong).

Your pathology report clearly indicates the presence of an above normal number of inflammatory lymphocytes in the epithelia of your colon, and since the markers of Crohn's or UC are absent, that means that your diagnosis should be LC.

If you question your GI specialist's opinion, he's probably going to get upset, so there's little point in dealing with him, IMO. You can ask your PCP to refer you for a second opinion, if you want, because really, all you need is for someone who knows what he or she is doing, to review your pathology report, and officially acknowledge that your pathology report shows that you have LC. That's pretty simple, (at least it's simple for someone who understands how to diagnose MC). The downside is that a lot of medical practice groups look out for each other, and members are usually friends, so they won't overrule another doctor's opinion, so if you're dealing with such a group, you might have to go outside that group, to get a valid second opinion. The second downside is that many GI docs will insist on another colonoscopy, (to make it worth their while), and there's hardly any point in going through 2 colonoscopies so close together.

One solution would be for your PCP to simply ask another pathologist to interpret the existing pathology report, or to ask another pathologist to reexamine your biopsy sample slides, to offer a second opinion. With that official diagnosis in hand, your PCP can prescribe Entocort, if that's what you want, (assuming that your doctor is willing to do that - some are scared of Entocort, because they don't understand it).

I really can't tell you what you should do, but if I were in your shoes, I would order some tests from Enterolab, to verify which foods I needed to avoid, and once I determined which foods cause me to react, I would cut them out of my diet, and never look back. I can tell you from experience that the longer we have this disease, without controlling the symptoms, the longer it will take to get it under control. IOW, it's easier to prevent intestinal damage, than it is to heal the damage after it occurs, especially as we get older.

If you don't feel confident enough to do it without meds, then you will need an official diagnosis, in order to get a script for Entocort, for example, (unless you order it from an overseas pharmacy), but in your case, you should be able to get control of the situation by diet alone, IMO.

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Tex,

I have suspected that I had LC for awhile now, ever since I started researching my symptoms several months ago (before my scope). And I have been GF/DF for the past 5 weeks, which seemed to be working pretty well until I started branching out into some processed "GF" foods that really weren't--learned my lesson there! So yes, I understand what this means--I'm no doctor, but I can connect those dots! I guess the only reason for a 2nd opinion would be for the benefit of my family members, several of whom have similar symptoms to mine and many of whom will be skeptical.

At present, I'm fine with Immodium when I have D, but I intend to get this under control before I end up needing a prescription. So I suppose I don't need that doctor anyway, do I?

Thanks so much for your assessment! Strangely, it's a relief just to know what I'm dealing with.

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Cynthia wrote:So I suppose I don't need that doctor anyway, do I?
Not really, not if you're willing to be your own advocate, because there's not much question about who takes your health the most seriously, between you or your doctor - you will win, hands down, every time.
Cynthia wrote:Strangely, it's a relief just to know what I'm dealing with.
I'll tell you one stranger than that. When I finally broke down and went to my doctor, to find out what was causing my "uncontrollable diarrhea", he examined me, and promptly announced that I had a tumor the size of his fist, in my gut, (and he shook his fist in my face, for emphasis). Strange as it seems, I somehow felt relieved to hear that opinion, because I had suspected the worst, anyway. He sent me to a GI specialist, who examined me, and gave me the same tentative "diagnosis". Fortunately, they were both wrong - there was no cancer. But like you, I found it sort of incredible that I would feel a sense of relief, to receive such bad news. LOL.

Best of luck with your treatment program. Please don't hesitate to ask, anytime you have any questions - we'll try to help in any way we can.

You're most welcome,
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Cynthia,

You're on the right track, IMO. It would be nice if your medical professionals were better suited to help you, but it's great that you don't need anything other than what you have already to get your health headed in the right direction.

As far as family members go, if/when you choose to do the Enterolab tests, you can order a cheek swab for genetic testing, along with the food-sensitivity tests. That will let you know whether or not you have a gene for celiac, or for non-celiac gluten sensitivity, or both (I have one of each).

Hope you see steady progress and keep feeling better,

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Sara,

In all my research on this forum, somehow I had missed that there is a gene for NCGS. I would be willing to bet I have one of those--chronic diarrhea is almost considered normal in my family. I plan to talk to my parents today about whether their recent colonoscopies included biopsy. It would be interesting to see the results.

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Cynthia,

I have a "true" celiac gene, and no one in my family has ever been diagnosed. I would guess that a lot of the odd health 'quirks' of my parents' later years may have had a gluten-related cause. If chronic diarrhea is a family tradition, you may have the experience that I had - of being astounded to find 'celiac' in your family tree. I have no idea why I was convinced that would not be the case for me. But I'm glad I did the test, and will be all over my brother, niece & nephews, should they hit unexplained or hard to diagnose conditions, down the road. My 20yo niece told me recently that she has always had a sensitive tummy... hmmmmm.

On the upside, fixing my diet has eliminated all sorts of little health quirks of middle age, for me. Hope you see unexpected benefits, too.

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Just got off the phone with my parents--neither of them had biopsies done with their colonoscopies. I guess when you've had problems for that many years, you just think it's normal and stop looking for answers. In a way I hope I do find something genetic, because it might benefit the rest of my family to know. There are 10 separate cases of colon cancer in my family, three of them fatal, and several diagnoses of polyposis, and my mother and uncles were all tested for the carrier gene, but to my knowledge no one has ever been tested for celiac/NCGI.

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Cynthia,
My father-in-law, who suffers in denial of his "IBS", had a routine colonoscopy done. He said his doctor told him "it was completely normal, just a little bit of inflammation." :shock: Since my FIL would never admit he spends half the day on the potty, the doc had no reason to look for a cause of his trouble, so he left it alone, since it doesn't bother the patient. :roll:
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Cynthia,

Here's a good article by Dr. Lewey, (arguably one of the leading celiac docs in this country, if not the leading GI doc in this area of medicine), concerning the basics about the various genes that predispose to gluten-sensitivity:

http://www.celiac.com/articles/1046/1/U ... Page1.html

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