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The cows, according to the literature, are fed "vegetarian feed", which contains grains. Maybe corn? I don't know whether this is likely to hurt me. I am looking for bones from grass fed beef, but so far no luck.
I am nowhere near a remission. I am afraid that this might be upsetting me.
Could it be?
Whole Foods stage 1 beef bones for stock
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Lesley,
They're playing word games, (and probably charging extra for it
) - these days, it's illegal to feed bonemeal and other animal products to feedlot cattle, because of the risk of bovine spongiform encephalopathy, (BSE), aka "mad cow disease", so all cattle eat a vegetarian diet, in most developed countries.
Tex
They're playing word games, (and probably charging extra for it
) - these days, it's illegal to feed bonemeal and other animal products to feedlot cattle, because of the risk of bovine spongiform encephalopathy, (BSE), aka "mad cow disease", so all cattle eat a vegetarian diet, in most developed countries.Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I should have known a feed man, especially you Tex, would know!
Yeah, probably. But their stages go from veggie fed to grass fed, which, off course, is the most expensive, and fairly comparable to everywhere around here. Very expensive, though very good.
My question is - if the feed contains corn (and it almost certainly does) would that affect me if I make soup from the bones? Or do I have to insist on grass fed bones too?
I am trying to find what is preventing me from healing.
Yeah, probably. But their stages go from veggie fed to grass fed, which, off course, is the most expensive, and fairly comparable to everywhere around here. Very expensive, though very good.
My question is - if the feed contains corn (and it almost certainly does) would that affect me if I make soup from the bones? Or do I have to insist on grass fed bones too?
I am trying to find what is preventing me from healing.
Theoretically, it shouldn't matter, because theoretically, all of the nutrients in feed are extracted in the digestive system of cattle, in the form of amino acids, and then reassembled to produce beef, (muscle, bone, etc.). DogtorJ, (Dr. John Symes, a British vet who is an expert on human and animal food-sensitivities), claims that what livestock eat can be passed on in the meat.
http://dogtorj.com/what-is-food-intoler ... enization/
Tex
http://dogtorj.com/what-is-food-intoler ... enization/
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
There's a big flavor difference in grass-fed and grain-fed beef, because of a difference in the way that fat is deposited in the meat. Grain-fed beef has a lot of fat marbling in the muscle that's not found in grass-fed beef. Some people consider that extra fat in the muscle to be unhealthy. Free-range chicken doesn't have big gobs of fat that are usually thrown away before cooking, and the meat has a more appealing, natural color, (and usually, better flavor).
Tex
I really don't know what to think about that theory. it doesn't seem logical, but Dr. Symes is a pretty smart cookie. I suppose what I'm saying, is that I think the jury is still out, (so I'm not sure what I think about it).Lesley wrote:So are you saying that I could be reacting to the corn in beef? Or is it really far fetched?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
The difference in flavor is pretty big, but then, so is the difference in price. Somehow, however, after seeing Food, Inc., I can't bring myself to eat beef from those cows again, even if what they eat doesn't affect their meat. Just the idea of it turns my stomach, which is turned more than enough.
But the bones? If I can't get bones from grass fed beef can I risk making stock from them? I have little enough to eat as it is.
If I can't create a sauce using home made stock then I will really have no flavoring agents.
But the bones? If I can't get bones from grass fed beef can I risk making stock from them? I have little enough to eat as it is.
If I can't create a sauce using home made stock then I will really have no flavoring agents.
Well, I'm pretty sure that even if the meat does somehow contain traces of gluten or other food-sensitivities, there should be such a small amount in the tiny morsels clinging to the bones, that it shouldn't cause any problems.
Tex
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Lesley, I think you are fine with the beef bones from Whole Foods. I have talked to a very sweet and knowledgeable butcher at Whole Foods, and the lower-priced beef that they sell, at least here in the PNW is grass-fed from eastern Oregon and then when they go to the feedlot, they are fed corn. Of course,the corn is GMO because you can't get away from that nowadays, but I don't think that they are in the feedlot long enough for the corn to become part of the bone or marrow. Just my opinion, of course.
You could talk to a local butcher about getting bones from a cow that is raised by an individual on their own land and slaughtered and processed by that butcher. That way you would know that it was grass-fed, and who knows? Maybe the bones would be less expensive.
You could talk to a local butcher about getting bones from a cow that is raised by an individual on their own land and slaughtered and processed by that butcher. That way you would know that it was grass-fed, and who knows? Maybe the bones would be less expensive.
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Psoriasis - the dark ages
Hashimoto's Thyroiditis - Dec 2001
Collagenous Colitis - Sept 2010
Granuloma Annulare - June 2011
Hi Lesley,
You also might want to try a Kosher butcher. I have one here who I became friendly with and when he gets his beef deliveries in he calls me. I get all the bones that he cuts off the beef from, now granted they are not very appealing however they make a great stock. I don't know it you have room in your house but I did buy a small freezer. I use it for all my stocks and rare meats. It as come in handy. I was finding that all I was doing was cooking ALL the time now I cook in VERY large quantities and it works for me. THere is also a place here called Restaurant Depot they sell to only restaurants and big organizations. I have a friend who is a fireman and he has a membership so I go with him. What a place. OMG! I had so much fun (now I know I have gone crazy, having fun in the largest food store I have ever seen). Its like Costco, Sams Club or BJ'S. You have to buy in bulk but what CHEAP PRICES! I bought rabbit it was $2.39 a pound! I bought a whole beef tenderloin for $3.69 a pound and the beef is grass fed! They have corn fed beef to which was very very cheap but since I have a corn allergy too I thought I would buy the grass fed. The sirloin chopmeat was $1.69 a pound. I could go on in on but it was amazing! I cant wait to go back! When I started my diet I had read about cross contamination so I bought all my new pots and pans and utensil from there also and they were very cheap.
You have to do a little research and you will find what you need. Start talking to people in your town like the butchers and fishmongers. They have been very helpful to me. You just got ask!
Good luck
Robin
You also might want to try a Kosher butcher. I have one here who I became friendly with and when he gets his beef deliveries in he calls me. I get all the bones that he cuts off the beef from, now granted they are not very appealing however they make a great stock. I don't know it you have room in your house but I did buy a small freezer. I use it for all my stocks and rare meats. It as come in handy. I was finding that all I was doing was cooking ALL the time now I cook in VERY large quantities and it works for me. THere is also a place here called Restaurant Depot they sell to only restaurants and big organizations. I have a friend who is a fireman and he has a membership so I go with him. What a place. OMG! I had so much fun (now I know I have gone crazy, having fun in the largest food store I have ever seen). Its like Costco, Sams Club or BJ'S. You have to buy in bulk but what CHEAP PRICES! I bought rabbit it was $2.39 a pound! I bought a whole beef tenderloin for $3.69 a pound and the beef is grass fed! They have corn fed beef to which was very very cheap but since I have a corn allergy too I thought I would buy the grass fed. The sirloin chopmeat was $1.69 a pound. I could go on in on but it was amazing! I cant wait to go back! When I started my diet I had read about cross contamination so I bought all my new pots and pans and utensil from there also and they were very cheap.
You have to do a little research and you will find what you need. Start talking to people in your town like the butchers and fishmongers. They have been very helpful to me. You just got ask!
Good luck
Robin
I live in a small, one bedroom apartment, so there isn't room for a freezer. I wish there was. When I had everyone at home I cooked in HUGE quantities and froze so I didn't have to cook for months. Summer was hot and humid, and I hated cooking or baking during those months, so I filled up the freezer before the summer hit, and always had food without having to be in the kitchen.
I wish I could get to somewhere like that. Everything is SO expensive when you want to get the best.
I couldn't care what bones look like. I just want to get good stock from them. But there are no butchers around here, kosher or otherwise. And only one place has rabbit. It's 4-5 times what you paid. Ridiculous.
I was wondering if rabbit would make good stock? I would love to try, but not at over $8 a lb.
I need to go to Chinatown to see what I can get.
I wish I could get to somewhere like that. Everything is SO expensive when you want to get the best.
I couldn't care what bones look like. I just want to get good stock from them. But there are no butchers around here, kosher or otherwise. And only one place has rabbit. It's 4-5 times what you paid. Ridiculous.
I was wondering if rabbit would make good stock? I would love to try, but not at over $8 a lb.
I need to go to Chinatown to see what I can get.