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CDC Says The Problem is Restaurants, Not Cruise Ships

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Hi All,

According to the CDC, only about 1 % of norovirus cases originate on cruise ships — most cases are due to infected workers in restaurants touching food with their bare hands.
"Restaurants accounted for nearly two-thirds of the outbreaks, and catering or banquet facilities accounted for 17 percent," Frieden said.

Among 520 of the outbreaks, food workers were implicated in 70 percent of the cases. Of these, 54 percent involved food workers touching ready-to-eat foods with their bare hands, according to the report.

Among 324 outbreaks in which a specific food was implicated, more than 90 percent of the contamination occurred during final preparation, such as making a sandwich with raw and already cooked ingredients. Another 75 percent occurred in foods eaten raw, such as leafy vegetables, fruits and oysters.
Food Handlers Cause Most Food-Poisoning Cases

So it's not surprising that restaurant workers who leave traces of ingredients that shouldn't be on our food are the biggest problem we face when eating out.

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It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Remember Typhoid Mary? She was single-handedly responsible for the typhoid outbreak in New York City in the first part of the 1900s. She was quarantined for many years.

It is very possible that Typhoid Mary Mallon is related to my father's family. We don't brag about it. :shock:

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Hmmmm, I guess I am the exception because I got norovirus on a cruise ship. Boy, was I sick - and so WEAK! Imagine norovirus on top of MC - complicated by eating out every meal. I spent 3 whole days in the bunk - missed a river cruise to see monkeys,....also missed lobster night. No fun at all. It was embarrassing having the HAZMAT crew cleaning my room every day.

Funny, but I have not had the urge to go on another cruise since that one.

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Polly,

I'm sorry to hear that you had such an unpleasant cruise. This probably didn't happen in your situation, but I have a hunch that a lot of people on cruises pick up infections when they stop at various ports along the way, and when they get sick a day or so later, they naturally blame the cruise line.
Polly wrote:It was embarrassing having the HAZMAT crew cleaning my room every day.
One more thing that could only happen to someone who has MC. :sigh:
Polly wrote:Funny, but I have not had the urge to go on another cruise since that one.
I hear you. I've been in remission for over 10 years now, but my cruise ambitions ended early on when my symptoms began, and like my loss of the ability to feel hunger pangs, they have never returned.

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I went on a cruise with my grown children right before dx. My pcp gave me prescriptions for Lomotil and assured me for the 4 days of the cruise I wouldn't OD on that or Imodium. It was still fun, at that time I would mostly have explosive wd in the early hours of the morning and then be ok the rest of the day on the meds.
I still think mine was triggered by some obnoxious virus I picked up at a covered dish thanksgiving dinner.
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Polly,

Your story is why I have no desire to go on a cruise. I don't like being stuck places with no way out for starters and reports of the norovirus on cruise lines and other horror stories on ships is enough to keep me away from them. Same goes for restaurants. I simply don't trust the food. I guess I have become a bit germophobic.

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I have been on a few cruises with no ill effects.I love cruising but my spouse hates it, he gets bored. :sad:
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Heady, My DH said he would never go on a cruise. That is why I went with my kids.

Jean, my friends already thought I was a germophobe before this started. Previously I was picky about foods at our sunday brunch. Now I only eat what I bring.
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Tex, your comment about hunger pains sparks a question. 6 months into MC, and since month 3 I no longer feel hunger. A blessing and a curse. I don't want to jump over the table and eat my husband's food, and I'm content at a restaurant, with my water. But, I also need to eat more, to help with weight loss. I eat meals of my meat, veg and added healthy fat, feel full, and stop. But, I keep losing weight. Not sure it's the D, malabsorption of food, or limited amounts of food.

Do most people lose their feeling of hunger? Does being hungry return? Why don't I don't I feel hungry?

I differentiate feeling hungry , from feeling the need for food. I do feel fatigued and weak and desire food because I feel better. But, it's not like the hunger pains, I need to eat now, I could eat a horse, feeling I used to have.
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Chris,

I found that cutting way back on the carbs (grains, refined sugars) made me much less hungry. When I eat primarily meat and protein, I rarely get hungry.

Carbs cause an immediate spike in blood sugar, which forces the pancreas to produce insulin. The insulin causes the blood sugar to drop quickly, and this is one mechanism for hunger. When I used to have cereal or a bagel for breakfast I would be hungry within an hour or two. If I ate eggs, I would work past lunch without realizing it. I think this also explains why it is so hard to stop at just one candy or potato chip. Carbs truly are addictive.

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Chris, Polly's explanation explains the hunger issue well. I was never a big eater and after MC started, I was rarely hungry and had to force myself to eat. Once your inflammation is better controlled, you will feel better. With microscopic colitis, healing takes a long time and patience is very necessary. It took me 3 years from the time I was finally diagnosed and changed my diet, to get off budesinide and feel almost normal.

I hope you begin to feel better soon.

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I'll add my two cents here. After my diabetes DX I cut out sugar,salt, cut way back on carbs & ate smaller amounts more frequently & always eat a protein with my carb. Lost 48lbs. Most of my cravings diminished. The hunger completely left.
I now eat to live... Not live to eat!
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I'm another low carb advocate. When I switched to eating low carb paleo about a decade ago I lost 85 pounds that have remained off until this day but even more importantly I no longer feel ravenously hungry all the time. Low carb equals low hunger, which for me is a very good thing. My diet is high fat, moderate protein and low carb. It's the blood sugar insulin response to carbs, as Polly explains, that lead to hunger and carb cravings.

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Chris,

I agree with Polly and the others who responded that not only does the inflammation associated with active MC tend to suppress hunger sensations, but what we eat (whether mostly protein or carbs) has a huge effect on our hunger signaling at all times. This effect is obviously quite common.

I have an entirely different situation though. I absolutely no longer have the ability to feel hunger pangs, presumably because of nerve damage within my enteric nervous system. If I eat mostly carbs, for example (as Polly mentioned), I will sometimes feel typical hypoglycemia symptoms after a while, but I won't feel hungry. Eating will quickly resolve the hypoglycemia symptoms, of course. As long as I'm eating adequate protein, I never feel any indicators that I am hungry, not even if/when I miss multiple meals in a row. I eat strictly out of habit — never because I am hungry.

Since I also have peripheral neuropathy in my lower legs and feet (and I don't have diabetes), I'm as certain as I can be (without having actual scientific proof) that my nerve damage is due to too many years of untreated gluten sensitivity. I'm just guessing that my enteric nervous system is compromised, because I would assume that the ENS is responsible for sensing virtually all digestive system feedback, and that information is then relayed to the CNS. My CNS is almost certainly also damaged though, because that would be necessary for the existence of peripheral neuropathy. Here's a link to some research info on gluten-induced CNS damage, in case you're not familiar with that phenomenon. As a side note, even though Dr. Hadjivassiliou (who is a leading neurological researcher in the UK) published these findings 12 years ago, I have yet to meet a neurologist who will even acknowledge the existence (or the possibility of the existence) of gluten-induced neurological damage. They can't explain the etiology of my issues, but they insist that they have never heard of gluten-induced neurological damage. :roll:

Gluten sensitivity as a neurological illness

I've been taking Metanx, which is a prescription vitamin mix of the active forms of vitamins B-12, B-9, and B-6, for almost 5 years now, and my balance, gait, and reflexes in my knees and ankles, are almost back to normal (for someone my age). My ability to feel pain in my feet is still far short of normal, but much better than it was 5 years ago. Metanx is prescribed for peripheral neuropathy associated with diabetes, and it's also prescribed for endothelial dysfunction.

But this issue (loss of the ability to sense hunger pangs) is apparently rather rare. 1 or 2 other members have mentioned temporary loss of the ability to feel hunger pangs, but as far as I'm aware, I'm the only one here who claims to have that disability on a permanent basis. I've been aware of it for roughly 8 or 10 years now, so I assume that it's a permanent issue for me. Since I also have a breathing issue that began to show up a couple of years later, that appears to be associated with a weak nerve function in the diaphragm muscles that control breathing (my ability to take a deep breath is often compromised), I have suspected MG, but so far, no other symptoms have appeared, so I have never pursued a medical workup on it. My autonomic nervous system seems to work just fine — it's when I intentionally try to draw a deep breath that I run into trouble. At any rate, since it's almost surely gluten-related, I doubt that any doctor would pay any attention to my claims.

Your situation regarding the ability to feel hungry, sounds very, very similar to mine, but hopefully it will turn out to be temporary.

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Post by Heady »

I have tingling in my hands for 10 years now. I was told it was from carpul tunnel syndrome. I have been a dental assistant for 33 yrs. I also as of the last 4yrs feel it in my feet. Diabetes or gluten/MC? Will likely never know. I will ck with MD as to my vit B level from my last blood tests. The article was very informative & makes me wonder if gluten sens. is a problem for my ADHD son?? There is familial history of Crones on my hubby's side & history of IBD on my mothers side. Some crappy genes !!!
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