Is it bone broth or haddock???

ldubois7 · Post by **ldubois7** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:36 am

Hi to all my 'potty people' friends!

As summer is in full swing, and we are running our produce stand, life has been busy here in Pennsylvania!

I'd seemed to have hit a plateau in my healing journey, until this past week, and I can't decide what I'm doing differently that is allowing my to see norman again.

What has changed is #1- I ran out of haddock, so I haven't eaten it for about 6 days, and #2- I'm not eating my slow cooker (I say 'slow' cooker, but I cook on high for 4-5 hours to make my venison or lamb to avoid histamine issues) meats.

So, which is it? My meats are made with turkey broth that I made and froze a while back, and I'm thinking they are the cause my gassy, small stools. If I cook venison on the stovetop or grill, I am not having the morning reaction.

So, what I can't wrap my head around is this..... BONE BROTH is supposed to be so good for us in the healing process, and I haven't been able to tolerate it. Is it the slower cooking of the broth, and histamines? I remember when I first had symptoms of MC, I was sipping broth, and it went right through me. Am I that sensitive, now, and will always be?

Or, is it the haddock? I think I'm having the gassy small stools even when I eat my oven roasted turkey, with broth, that I freeze into little individual servings.

I know I need to eliminate one, then the other, to see what happens, but just wondered what your thoughts or experiences are on my dilemma.

P.S. On a positive note....I have added some raw veggies to my diet, in very small portions....cucumber, romaine lettuce, & carrot...all from my garden! :)

Post by **tex** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:49 am

Hi Linda,

My guess would be (in order of preference):

1. Your healing has finally reached a level where your digestive system is working much better.

2. The histamines were/are the problem.

3. Both of the above.

Or I could be all wet.

Tex

ldubois7 · Post by **ldubois7** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:56 am

Tex...haha....you're not all wet!!

But, when I eliminated the fish and any meat cooked in broth, I started having less gas & less bloating & norms....unless it's a coincidence, that it all happened at the same time, in the healing process. Is it the broth or the slow cooker that I keep on high, so as not to encourage histamines?

I guess I just have to test everything, one at a time for a few days.

I just don't understand why broth causes me so much distress when its supposed to be so healing for the gut?

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:36 am

2 possibilities come to mind;

1- If the ingredient you use to make the bone broth has become an irritant?

Or,
2 - if with the latest batch of making the broth you used bones from different source??

(Most of the turkey pieces sold in Aus all have yeast, onion powder and soy on them, have you double checked the label?)

Many here have reported that a food that was ok 1-2 years ago, is now a trigger.

Or the maybe third option, histamine has become more of an issue for you now.

Good luck solving the mystery...

ldubois7 · Post by **ldubois7** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:45 am

Thanks, Gabes!

My turkey was from an organic farmer where I live, so I don't think that would be a concern.
You're right that maybe the onion, garlic, & celery ingredients in the broth that could be an irritant. I only use those ingredients and salt/pepper for making broth.

I'm only taking 1/2 Allegra a day, and mainly due seasonal allergies, because I didn't notice a difference when taking (or not taking) antihistamines in the past.

Thanks for your input!

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:50 am

I have always kept my bone broth as meat only, given how many issues MC'ers had with those type of vegetables.

Make a small batch meat only, test it.
If ok, make small batch with one of the ingredients, test it. Etc etc

ldubois7 · Post by **ldubois7** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:04 pm

Gabes,

That's what I'll have to do. So, you make broth with bones & water only? Do you use any salt/pepper or spices?

JFR · Post by **JFR** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:07 pm

ldubois7 wrote: I just don't understand why broth causes me so much distress when its supposed to be so healing for the gut?

The way I look at it is that a food may facilitate healing for most people but if it bothers me it is not a healing food for me. There just aren't any universal healing foods, even if some foods are promoted that way. It always comes down to whether or not it works for a particular person.

I agree with Gabes. I make meat only broth with salt and apple cider vinegar added. That way I don't have to worry about the other ingredients. It may be lacking in flavor in some people's estimation but flavor is no longer my primary concern. I want things to taste good but they don't have to be stellar.

Jean

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:11 pm

Mine has always been salt only
After 4.5yrs of milder/blander food, it has enough flavour for me.

ldubois7 · Post by **ldubois7** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:51 pm

I guess I'll try just bone/water/salt for my broth, and see what happens. If that doesn't work, I'll just stop using broth.

Thanks, ladies!

nerdhume · Post by **nerdhume** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:04 am

P.S. On a positive note....I have added some raw veggies to my diet, in very small portions....cucumber, romaine lettuce, & carrot...all from my garden! :)

Maybe the raw veggies are causing the problem. I haven't even tried cucumber or lettuce in a long time.

ldubois7 · Post by **ldubois7** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:12 am

HI Theresa!

I am the opposite of having a problem right now...I'm trying to figure out why I'm not having a problem! Haha!
I was sick of fish, so I stopped eating it, and also stopped eating my slow cooker meats in broth, and I had less gas/bloating/and norms!!!! I am eating fresh meats grilled or fried or broiled. I eat only a small amount of raw veggies, too. I hadn't had raw veggies for 2 years, until two weeks ago.

So, I'm trying to figure out if it's the broth, and/or the fish, so I can eliminate that and continue on this great path! :)

Lesley · Post by **Lesley** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:49 am

I found out pretty early that turkey (in addition to chicken) bothers me. I gave up turkey bone broth with great regret (though chicken broth - that I miss so much more!) I ONLY use lamb or lamb and beef bones for broth. I am almost ready to do a Jean, and go to only ground lamb, possibly with potatoes. Not even apple puree this time. I did lamb, potatoes, apple puree for a 6 weeks, but nothing changed.

Maybe you are reacting the the turkey, organic or not? Maybe try lamb broth?

ldubois7 · Post by **ldubois7** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:31 am

Lesley,

I eat turkey daily and sometime twice a day, and have felt much better for the past week. But, I do have some lamb bones in the freezer, so maybe my next broth will be lamb.

How have you been doing?

Lesley · Post by **Lesley** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:24 pm

Struggling, using LDN, increasing magnesium and vit. C with Gabes's encouragement (bless her heart!), battling GERD and severe, intractable back pain.
But..getting on with it, summer's here, pool beckons from outside. Could be way worse.

Enterolab said chicken is my worst meat. After cutting it out I tried turkey broth, and ended up in the loo again. So I cut them both out.
Lamb is known to be the most digestible meat, and is definitely best for me. I've been doing pork and beef too.

If turkey is OK for you I don't see why the broth should be the problem. I am also careful about veggies. I make the broth with only a little salt. You can always season it later. I freeze it in ice cube trays, so I always have cubes of broth to cook with.

I hope you track down the culprit.