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Hi all,
I was tested for SIBO two weeks ago followed by the breath test for HPylori the following week. Figured they were likely to be a waste of time as I didn’t think I had the severity of symptoms that comes with either.
I was wrong. I saw my nutritionist today and found I tested positive for both. Maybe there is a reason for my dicey, often queasy stomach after all.
Use of PPIs will contribute to the development of SIBO. SIBO is also more likely to occur in those of us who are constipation prominent, thanks to our sluggish GI tracts and delayed gastric emptying.
I’ll be honest- I’m allowing myself a pity party tonight. I’m dreading the treatment because it seems I react to everything. Hopefully it will be worth the fight to get rid of both. We are starting with the HPylori- it’s easier to disrupt. SIBO treatment sounds like a combination of an antibiotic and supplement support, but that will be a few weeks down the road.
If anyone else has tackled these, I’d be interested in hearing how it went.
Thanks,
Carol
Positive for SIBO and HPylori. Ugh!
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Positive for SIBO and HPylori. Ugh!
“.... people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” Maya Angelou
Hi Carol,
Call me a skeptic, but surely you are aware that most people have H. pylori colonies in their stomachs, but they never cause any problems. A positive breath test may be a valid test, or it may merely indicate their presence. Before you undertake a treatment program that may cause all sorts of gut biome problems, IMO you need to confirm that they are actually causing a problem. A simple blood antibody test would at least show whether your body has made antibodies (now or in the past) to H. pylori bacteria. Or there are stool antigen tests. The gold standard (at least it used to be) is a stomach biopsy.
It's certainly possible that you might indeed have an H. pylori problem, but treating such a problem if it does not actually exist, could initiate a cascade of events (as you're well aware) with a very unpleasant outcome. Are you still having nausea, or a burning sensation? The pain should be worse when your stomach is empty.
And if you've read very much of my writings, you know that I don't have much faith in SIBO diagnoses. It's probably possible that they (SIBO infections) exist, but gut bacteria profiles are primarily determined by our diet, our environment, and our previous gut bacteria profiles. It's possible to disrupt them for a few weeks with antibiotics, but those profiles are likely to quickly revert to the previous configuration, unless we change our diet, or our environment. True cases of SIBO are usually caused by a leaky cecum (that allows backflow of colon contents into the small intestine), or a foreign (exogenous) pathogen, or something of that sort.
Just my opinion, because frankly, I don't have any faith in breath tests, but I would hate to realize that you were subjected to extensive antibiotic treatments for no good reason.
Tex
Call me a skeptic, but surely you are aware that most people have H. pylori colonies in their stomachs, but they never cause any problems. A positive breath test may be a valid test, or it may merely indicate their presence. Before you undertake a treatment program that may cause all sorts of gut biome problems, IMO you need to confirm that they are actually causing a problem. A simple blood antibody test would at least show whether your body has made antibodies (now or in the past) to H. pylori bacteria. Or there are stool antigen tests. The gold standard (at least it used to be) is a stomach biopsy.
It's certainly possible that you might indeed have an H. pylori problem, but treating such a problem if it does not actually exist, could initiate a cascade of events (as you're well aware) with a very unpleasant outcome. Are you still having nausea, or a burning sensation? The pain should be worse when your stomach is empty.
And if you've read very much of my writings, you know that I don't have much faith in SIBO diagnoses. It's probably possible that they (SIBO infections) exist, but gut bacteria profiles are primarily determined by our diet, our environment, and our previous gut bacteria profiles. It's possible to disrupt them for a few weeks with antibiotics, but those profiles are likely to quickly revert to the previous configuration, unless we change our diet, or our environment. True cases of SIBO are usually caused by a leaky cecum (that allows backflow of colon contents into the small intestine), or a foreign (exogenous) pathogen, or something of that sort.
Just my opinion, because frankly, I don't have any faith in breath tests, but I would hate to realize that you were subjected to extensive antibiotic treatments for no good reason.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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I find myself in agreement with Tex. I am skeptical about test results without symptoms that correspond with them. Of course I don't really know anything specific to back up my skepticism. It just seems to me if it's not broken don't fix it. In your situation I guess I would ask myself "do I feel bad enough to risk the possible side effects of treatment?" As I know you know, antibiotic treatment carries it's own risks. So many of my health problems cleared up by sticking precisely to my diet that I have come to believe that a sound diet is the absolute foundation of health. At any rate it works for me. Of course I might be wrong :).
Jean
Jean
Thanks Jean and Tex,
I shouldn’t imply I have no symptoms- I just didn’t think my symptoms were severe enough to indicate SIBO.
The issue that got me here is that when trying to start any new vitamin that I am deficient in or adding something to my diet, it sets off a bout of horrid nausea and even a flare, so the question is: why and is there something else going on? We decided to start with digestive enzymes to lend support to other changes and DAO for my high homocysteine levels, thinking histamine and inflammation are the reason for my frequent nausea and reactions to any change. I still think these are more likely to be helpful in my case. I think I would benefit from trying digestive enzymes. We are waiting hear back if the manufacturers capsule is soy free so I haven’t started anything.
When I looked up the reliability and validity of the breath test versus the stool test for HPylori the sources I found said there was no difference statistically. I did read the occurrences of false negatives and positives and yes, it’s not all that impressive. But I thought it was worth ruling out, as I am also at a loss as to why I seem to be in a place where one seemingly simple change can set off GI issues that seem disproportionate. And while my gut is rarely quiet, I’m not suffering from malnutrition and malabsorption. I am frequently mildly nauseated and there is a window of time where if I don’t eat I will become more nauseated, and that’s just been a reality for me for the past several years. As to why- I really don’t know exactly.
So that’s where I’m at. I think I could be better and I’m willing to tackle it, but I wasn’t planning on this detour. I still want to see what DAO and digestive enzymes would do.
Carol
I shouldn’t imply I have no symptoms- I just didn’t think my symptoms were severe enough to indicate SIBO.
The issue that got me here is that when trying to start any new vitamin that I am deficient in or adding something to my diet, it sets off a bout of horrid nausea and even a flare, so the question is: why and is there something else going on? We decided to start with digestive enzymes to lend support to other changes and DAO for my high homocysteine levels, thinking histamine and inflammation are the reason for my frequent nausea and reactions to any change. I still think these are more likely to be helpful in my case. I think I would benefit from trying digestive enzymes. We are waiting hear back if the manufacturers capsule is soy free so I haven’t started anything.
When I looked up the reliability and validity of the breath test versus the stool test for HPylori the sources I found said there was no difference statistically. I did read the occurrences of false negatives and positives and yes, it’s not all that impressive. But I thought it was worth ruling out, as I am also at a loss as to why I seem to be in a place where one seemingly simple change can set off GI issues that seem disproportionate. And while my gut is rarely quiet, I’m not suffering from malnutrition and malabsorption. I am frequently mildly nauseated and there is a window of time where if I don’t eat I will become more nauseated, and that’s just been a reality for me for the past several years. As to why- I really don’t know exactly.
So that’s where I’m at. I think I could be better and I’m willing to tackle it, but I wasn’t planning on this detour. I still want to see what DAO and digestive enzymes would do.
Carol
“.... people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” Maya Angelou
Carol,
You may be right about H. pylori, based on the nausea symptoms. I'm like you in that when what I'm doing isn't working in the long-term, it's time to try to figure out why.
But if you have an excessive homosysteine level, that suggests a methylation problem (with your ability to convert folic acid into folate (5- methylenetetrahydrofolate) so that your body can use it). To save some typing, here's a quote from pages 150–152 of Understanding Microscopic Colitis:
174. MTHFR genetic mutation – what it is and how it can affect you. (n.d.). Retrieved from https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/mthfr/
Are you already taking an active form of vitamin B-9? If you are, I apologize for wasting your time with this.
Tex
You may be right about H. pylori, based on the nausea symptoms. I'm like you in that when what I'm doing isn't working in the long-term, it's time to try to figure out why.
But if you have an excessive homosysteine level, that suggests a methylation problem (with your ability to convert folic acid into folate (5- methylenetetrahydrofolate) so that your body can use it). To save some typing, here's a quote from pages 150–152 of Understanding Microscopic Colitis:
Here's reference 174 from that quote:In a nutshell, when one's MTHFR gene is healthy, these are the important chemical processes that it initiates.
Note that this only a general overview and if more detailed information is desired, it can be found online at many Internet sources including the stopthethyroidmadness.com webpage.174 Basically, when everything is working properly, the MTHFR gene initiates a multi-step chemical process known as methylation, which proceeds as follows:
The first step is the production of the MTHFR enzyme. This enzyme breaks down vitamin B-9 (known as folic acid), changing it from 5,10-methylenetetrahydrofolate to 5- methylenetetrahydrofolate. The 5- methylenetetrahydrofolate is then used to convert homocysteine into methionine which is then used by the body for making proteins, using antioxidants, and processing fats.
Methionine can be used to help suppress inflammation and depression symptoms. In the liver, methionine is converted into s-adenosylmethionine (SAM-e). SAM-e is also an anti-inflammatory agent. It is used in the production and subsequent breakdown of neurotransmitters such as serotonin and dopamine; and melatonin, which is a neurotransmitter-like compound. SAM-e is also important in the repair and maintenance of cells.
And here is what can happen when the MTHFR gene is mutated.
When the MTHFR gene is defective, the MTHFR enzyme that's produced performs at only 70 % or 40 % of it's normal capacity, depending on the nature of the gene mutation. This can cause compromised ability of the body to break down and eliminate toxins and heavy metals, and it can lead to a buildup of certain heavy metals. The defective enzyme may not be able to break down and convert folate or folic acid properly, resulting in a buildup of homocysteine, which increases the risk of coronary heart disease and related issues. It can also increase the risk of developing dementia.
Homocysteine conversion to methionine may be compromised, raising the risk of arteriosclerosis, fatty liver disease, anemia, and inflammation. SAM-e production will be decreased, resulting in the likelihood of increased depression symptoms. Because the inactive forms of folate and vitamin B-12 cannot be properly converted into the active forms so that the body can utilize them, the inactive forms of folate and vitamin B-12 may accumulate and this can cause levels to test high. The risk of developing certain cancers may increase. Many diseases have been associated with one or more mutations of the MTHFR gene.
174. MTHFR genetic mutation – what it is and how it can affect you. (n.d.). Retrieved from https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/mthfr/
Are you already taking an active form of vitamin B-9? If you are, I apologize for wasting your time with this.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Thanks Tex-
You are never wasting my time and I am not yet taking B9. The difficulty I’m having introducing any B vitamins (or virtually anything new) is that it sets off gastritis and nausea to the degree I have to back off. That’s why I thought putting digestive enzymes in place first might help me process any other supplements. My functional med doc and nutritionist agreed that that would be a good place to start, when I reacted so badly to the B 12 and diet changes. (Remember our conversation about off-feeding? I think it applies)
I can’t seem to get started on methylation treatment because my nausea and GI issues kick in. I’m sure, based on the blood tests that my functional med doc took, that I am not processing folate well at all. I have all the classic signs, including a pregnancy that resulted in us losing our son to a neural tube defect.
Are you thinking then that it is the build up of toxins that results in my chronic nausea and fatigue (because that was my original theory too)? I’m not sure where to start- what issue to tackle first to get me moving in the right direction. Setting aside SIBO for now, what do you think would make the biggest impact - addressing homocysteine levels with DAO to see if that reduces my nausea? Or methylation issues, to see if the other issues resolve once methylation has improved? Eventually they will all need to be addressed. Getting started is the challenge.
You are never wasting my time and I am not yet taking B9. The difficulty I’m having introducing any B vitamins (or virtually anything new) is that it sets off gastritis and nausea to the degree I have to back off. That’s why I thought putting digestive enzymes in place first might help me process any other supplements. My functional med doc and nutritionist agreed that that would be a good place to start, when I reacted so badly to the B 12 and diet changes. (Remember our conversation about off-feeding? I think it applies)
I can’t seem to get started on methylation treatment because my nausea and GI issues kick in. I’m sure, based on the blood tests that my functional med doc took, that I am not processing folate well at all. I have all the classic signs, including a pregnancy that resulted in us losing our son to a neural tube defect.
Are you thinking then that it is the build up of toxins that results in my chronic nausea and fatigue (because that was my original theory too)? I’m not sure where to start- what issue to tackle first to get me moving in the right direction. Setting aside SIBO for now, what do you think would make the biggest impact - addressing homocysteine levels with DAO to see if that reduces my nausea? Or methylation issues, to see if the other issues resolve once methylation has improved? Eventually they will all need to be addressed. Getting started is the challenge.
“.... people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” Maya Angelou
I had forgotten about the B-12 issue. I thought that this might be a clue:
But this more-recent study (based on the analysis of the results of at least 24 previous studies) seems to contradict that position.
I was thinking that an H-pylori infection might be the cause of the "B" deficiencies and the elevated homocysteine level in the first place, but this study sort of trashes that viewpoint. So I can't find any clues to explain why you're getting nausea from taking these particular vitamins. If they contained a lot of iron, for example, I could see the problem, but few problems are that simple. Obviously, correcting the "B" levels (which should bring down the homosysteine level) is the goal. But we need to figure out what's causing the nausea, before we can do that, and one of the causes of nausea is H.pylori.
Dr. Jill Carnahan says:
Boost Your DAO Levels to Fight Histamine
Unfortunately that's not particularly helpful, since some of those items can cause nausea and they're what we're trying to correct. But the point is, DAO supplements apparently only help momentarily, so they must be taken regularly — they don't address the cause of low DOA. Where to begin is a perplexing problem, since virtually every treatment regimen seems to run afoul of the symptoms it's intended to correct.
Your team may be on the right track, if they are planning to address the potential cause of the nausea (the H. pylori) first, because reducing homocysteine requires treating some methylation issues, and that seems to be stymied by the nausea. I don't know enough about toxin accumulations to recognize whether that could be the problem or not.
Tex
Helicobacter pylori—Is It a Novel Causative Agent in Vitamin B12 Deficiency?Conclusions Helicobacter pylori seems to be a causative agent in the development of adult vitamin B12 deficiency. Eradication of H pylori infection alone may correct vitamin B12 levels and improve anemia in this subgroup of patients.
But this more-recent study (based on the analysis of the results of at least 24 previous studies) seems to contradict that position.
Relationship between vitamin B12, folate and homocysteine levels and H. Pylori infection in patients with functional dyspepsia: A cross-section studyConclusions
This study demonstrated an inverse relationship between serum levels of B12 and homocysteine in patients with FD. Moreover, no impact of the presence of H. pylori was found on B12, folate and homocysteine levels in such patients.
I was thinking that an H-pylori infection might be the cause of the "B" deficiencies and the elevated homocysteine level in the first place, but this study sort of trashes that viewpoint. So I can't find any clues to explain why you're getting nausea from taking these particular vitamins. If they contained a lot of iron, for example, I could see the problem, but few problems are that simple. Obviously, correcting the "B" levels (which should bring down the homosysteine level) is the goal. But we need to figure out what's causing the nausea, before we can do that, and one of the causes of nausea is H.pylori.
Dr. Jill Carnahan says:
You can take DAO supplements, which will increase your levels in your digestive tract and enhance histamine breakdown of anything that’s eaten. However, DAO supplements do not get into your bloodstream and cannot increase your DAO levels internally. This means that supplementing with the DAO enzyme only helps you break histamine down that you’re consuming.
DAO enzyme supplements will not break down histamine that’s created by your mast cells – though this is still an effective treatment. This also means that DAO supplements cannot cure histamine intolerance or mast cell activation syndrome. Now you’re probably wondering how we can boost DAO naturally, within the body.
Scientists have found a number of nutrients that are effective at boosting DAO enzyme levels. These nutrients include:
Omega-3 fatty acids
Saturated fat
Phosphorus
Calcium
Zinc
Magnesium
Iron
Vitamin B12
Boost Your DAO Levels to Fight Histamine
Unfortunately that's not particularly helpful, since some of those items can cause nausea and they're what we're trying to correct. But the point is, DAO supplements apparently only help momentarily, so they must be taken regularly — they don't address the cause of low DOA. Where to begin is a perplexing problem, since virtually every treatment regimen seems to run afoul of the symptoms it's intended to correct.
Your team may be on the right track, if they are planning to address the potential cause of the nausea (the H. pylori) first, because reducing homocysteine requires treating some methylation issues, and that seems to be stymied by the nausea. I don't know enough about toxin accumulations to recognize whether that could be the problem or not.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Thanks as always, Tex. I didn’t intend to tie you up so much today with my questions.
I think tomorrow I need to take all of my test results and lay them out and try to look at the big picture, taking into account what I know about myself, what has worked and what hasn’t. HPylori doesn’t look to be all that tough to treat. I think it makes sense to dispense with that then focus on methylation treatment again (before other things like increasing my Omega 3 levels or adding DHEA).
I may ask for a HPylori antigen test for confirmation.
I think low stomach acid is a possibility too given my symptoms and history with PPIs, but I don’t think that changes anything significantly. Lots to think about.
Thanks again and have a restful evening,
Carol
PS- thanks Jean for the good wishes.
I think tomorrow I need to take all of my test results and lay them out and try to look at the big picture, taking into account what I know about myself, what has worked and what hasn’t. HPylori doesn’t look to be all that tough to treat. I think it makes sense to dispense with that then focus on methylation treatment again (before other things like increasing my Omega 3 levels or adding DHEA).
I may ask for a HPylori antigen test for confirmation.
I think low stomach acid is a possibility too given my symptoms and history with PPIs, but I don’t think that changes anything significantly. Lots to think about.
Thanks again and have a restful evening,
Carol
PS- thanks Jean for the good wishes.
“.... people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” Maya Angelou
Hi Tex and Jean- I was reviewing my earlier post (and posts in general about SIBO), so I thought I might give an update:
When I saw my functional med doc after reviewing all of my H. Pylori and SIBO results with the nutritionist, I laid out my HPylori, SIBO and MTHFR/ high homocysteine, etc testing and told him I wanted to know what he thought was the most essential issue to address. He eliminated HPylori right away. He said ‘we all have it and you aren’t having pain or bleeding, so I’m not too worried about it”. Then he went on to tell me that the biofilm disruptor that the nutritionist recommended is not his favorite- then it hits me that he and the nutritionist are not even recommending the same protocol
. That aside, he said he wanted to work on whatever I wanted to and wherever I thought I could get traction. After some discussion we elected to address SIBO because he said SIBO can be part of the reason for my poor and inconsistent motility. So I am on that journey now, with some occasional mixed feelings, using a biofilm disruptor and a supplement (Biocidin) that has tea tree oil, thyme, oregano in it. Johns Hopkins has a study out comparing these supplements vs antibiotics and the supplements were more effective- so that was encouraging.
Here’s what I’ve learned:
1. Digestive enzymes have been a very good thing. I’m not nauseated any more, I rarely have reflux, and I’ve cut my Zantac in half. I can actually foresee a day when I won’t have to take any Zantac. Betaine HCL may be helpful here too.
2. I’m irrigating my sinuses with Biocidin and saline and I no longer have bleeding sinuses and a sore throat all winter, like usual.
3. After treating SIBO several days I am no longer craving sugar and a persistent rash I have seems to be drying up. But I’m starting to have a mild headache and brain fog so that concerns me. I have no way to know if my lower gut is improving. Brain fog will interfere with my job so I can’t afford to let it advance.
4. Before anyone buys a bunch of supplements that are roughly $40-50 per bottle, it’s good to know if your functional med doc and nutritionist (who is in the same office) are on the same page. I now know to be on guard. I’m taking my advice from the doc. I like my nutritionist but I feel like she’s all over the place. The first 3 appts I had with her I left with 3 different plans and was ready to bail. (And for reasons I’m not clear on, my new health insurance pays for these appts, so I want to hang in there with the functional med doc, because I really want to improve my methylation when I get this SIBO stuff behind me).
So my sinuses are better and my upper GI issues are definitely better. I guess that’s all I’ve accomplished since October, but those are issues that have plagued me for years and I’m glad to have made this progress.
I’m debating adding B6 and possibly zinc to my daily regimen of vit C, vit D and magnesium, especially after your experiences reducing your histamine levels, Tex. Plus I recall Gabes advocating zinc as part of addressing methylation issues. I wonder if these things would help me get through the SIBO treatment? I’m only about 1/3 of the way through but won’t be able to continue if headaches and brain fog persist.
Kind regards,
Carol
When I saw my functional med doc after reviewing all of my H. Pylori and SIBO results with the nutritionist, I laid out my HPylori, SIBO and MTHFR/ high homocysteine, etc testing and told him I wanted to know what he thought was the most essential issue to address. He eliminated HPylori right away. He said ‘we all have it and you aren’t having pain or bleeding, so I’m not too worried about it”. Then he went on to tell me that the biofilm disruptor that the nutritionist recommended is not his favorite- then it hits me that he and the nutritionist are not even recommending the same protocol
. That aside, he said he wanted to work on whatever I wanted to and wherever I thought I could get traction. After some discussion we elected to address SIBO because he said SIBO can be part of the reason for my poor and inconsistent motility. So I am on that journey now, with some occasional mixed feelings, using a biofilm disruptor and a supplement (Biocidin) that has tea tree oil, thyme, oregano in it. Johns Hopkins has a study out comparing these supplements vs antibiotics and the supplements were more effective- so that was encouraging.Here’s what I’ve learned:
1. Digestive enzymes have been a very good thing. I’m not nauseated any more, I rarely have reflux, and I’ve cut my Zantac in half. I can actually foresee a day when I won’t have to take any Zantac. Betaine HCL may be helpful here too.
2. I’m irrigating my sinuses with Biocidin and saline and I no longer have bleeding sinuses and a sore throat all winter, like usual.
3. After treating SIBO several days I am no longer craving sugar and a persistent rash I have seems to be drying up. But I’m starting to have a mild headache and brain fog so that concerns me. I have no way to know if my lower gut is improving. Brain fog will interfere with my job so I can’t afford to let it advance.
4. Before anyone buys a bunch of supplements that are roughly $40-50 per bottle, it’s good to know if your functional med doc and nutritionist (who is in the same office) are on the same page. I now know to be on guard. I’m taking my advice from the doc. I like my nutritionist but I feel like she’s all over the place. The first 3 appts I had with her I left with 3 different plans and was ready to bail. (And for reasons I’m not clear on, my new health insurance pays for these appts, so I want to hang in there with the functional med doc, because I really want to improve my methylation when I get this SIBO stuff behind me).
So my sinuses are better and my upper GI issues are definitely better. I guess that’s all I’ve accomplished since October, but those are issues that have plagued me for years and I’m glad to have made this progress.
I’m debating adding B6 and possibly zinc to my daily regimen of vit C, vit D and magnesium, especially after your experiences reducing your histamine levels, Tex. Plus I recall Gabes advocating zinc as part of addressing methylation issues. I wonder if these things would help me get through the SIBO treatment? I’m only about 1/3 of the way through but won’t be able to continue if headaches and brain fog persist.
Kind regards,
Carol
“.... people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” Maya Angelou
Could you possibly be dealing with a yeast overgrowth? The only issue that I'm aware of that causes persistent sugar craving is yeast overgrowth. And you seem to have some of the other symptoms, particularly the brain fog. Here's a link to a site with a list of symptoms:Carol wrote:After treating SIBO several days I am no longer craving sugar
https://www.amymyersmd.com/2018/07/10-s ... vergrowth/
Just a thought.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Tex- funny you should mention yeast. I was reading some sources (like Dr Jill Carnahan and others) and yeast was mentioned several times. Thanks for the link. I will definitely check it out.
C.
C.
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Be careful on taking antibiotics.....I will never be able to take again. I was prescribed Augmentin four years ago for a ruptured ear drum/ear infection and got C-diff from the antibiotic and almost died.
I swear the C-diff was the start of all this. Although once it was cleared (I was living in Texas at that time), I was living a good life for a good three years before the CC took over now.
Just saying, I would imagine our colons are very sensitive to almost anything right now - i know taking this Bude has risks for me (so I've read) about being vulnerable to catching things. I'm going to a casino in a couple weeks for a family event and am scared to death of catching something while there.
Hope all works out well for you, Carol, you seem very on top of things to me.
Jeanine
I swear the C-diff was the start of all this. Although once it was cleared (I was living in Texas at that time), I was living a good life for a good three years before the CC took over now.
Just saying, I would imagine our colons are very sensitive to almost anything right now - i know taking this Bude has risks for me (so I've read) about being vulnerable to catching things. I'm going to a casino in a couple weeks for a family event and am scared to death of catching something while there.
Hope all works out well for you, Carol, you seem very on top of things to me.
Jeanine
A lot of work ahead of me
Hi Jeanine- I agree 100%. I think I will live with SIBO rather than take Rifaximin. I know the outcome will not be good if I do that. I’ll continue to tweak my diet, vitamins and supplements for better digestion and motility. If nothing else, that should reduce SIBO.
I hope your trip to the casino goes well. While Budesonide suppresses our immune systems some, I did not catch colds/ flu viruses when I was on it.... and I worked in two elementary schools at the time (aka ‘germ factories’ to us school staff). I do take antibacterial gel with me to public places and try to minimize my exposure, plus be sure that I take my Vit C and V D3.
I hope you have a good time and enjoy yourself. And WIN BIG!
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C.
I hope your trip to the casino goes well. While Budesonide suppresses our immune systems some, I did not catch colds/ flu viruses when I was on it.... and I worked in two elementary schools at the time (aka ‘germ factories’ to us school staff). I do take antibacterial gel with me to public places and try to minimize my exposure, plus be sure that I take my Vit C and V D3.
I hope you have a good time and enjoy yourself. And WIN BIG!
. C.
“.... people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” Maya Angelou
Hi Tex, I see that tested I negative for IGA, IGM, and IGG for Candida Albicans AB (values of 0.4 and 0.2, 0.2 respectively). Reference range is -<1.0 Antibody not detected. But, according to what I’m reading, this doesn’t mean it’s not present- it just means I didn’t make the antibodies. I don’t see that I had any tests done for other yeasts. Sounds like it’s still a factor to consider. 
. Looks like the anti-bacterial/ anti-fungal I’m taking is supposed to treat yeast overgrowth too. I’ve backed off of it for a couple of days though, until my gut feels calmer again. I’ll make sure my diet stays Paleo (sugar and starch free) and hopefully it will calm down soon.
Thanks for your thoughts,
Carol
. Looks like the anti-bacterial/ anti-fungal I’m taking is supposed to treat yeast overgrowth too. I’ve backed off of it for a couple of days though, until my gut feels calmer again. I’ll make sure my diet stays Paleo (sugar and starch free) and hopefully it will calm down soon. Thanks for your thoughts,
Carol
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