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I found this article in 'The Daily Mail' and thought some of you may find it interesting as they are now saying that SSRI's are no better than a placebo!
OK here is the link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1797
Hmm what do we believe
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Hmm what do we believe
Yep Tex I can not sleep again lol
I found this article in 'The Daily Mail' and thought some of you may find it interesting as they are now saying that SSRI's are no better than a placebo!
OK here is the link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1797
I found this article in 'The Daily Mail' and thought some of you may find it interesting as they are now saying that SSRI's are no better than a placebo!
OK here is the link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1797
LOL. When I noticed your post, and the time, I wondered if you were up early, or late. I think you've got me beat. I'm usually able to get to sleep by about 3 or 4, even on the worst nights.
It's kind of funny in a way. Before my symptoms started, I used to get up early, so that I could work without being disturbed. I used to get up around 4 o'clock, and occasionally I would get up an hour or two earlier. Now, I just hope I can get to sleep by then. LOL.
That's a very interesting article, and I guess I have to say that I'm not really surprised. I think that the main problem is that the pharmaceutical companies are responsible for proving their drugs are effective, so they know who to hire to do the research, to make sure that the final result is what they want. The really sad part is that the doctors play right along with them.
Tex
It's kind of funny in a way. Before my symptoms started, I used to get up early, so that I could work without being disturbed. I used to get up around 4 o'clock, and occasionally I would get up an hour or two earlier. Now, I just hope I can get to sleep by then. LOL.
That's a very interesting article, and I guess I have to say that I'm not really surprised. I think that the main problem is that the pharmaceutical companies are responsible for proving their drugs are effective, so they know who to hire to do the research, to make sure that the final result is what they want. The really sad part is that the doctors play right along with them.
Tex
Oh research is often a very flawed process, I learnt as a student that depending on the design set you could quite often justify the hypothesis hence generally I laugh at most of the articles I read.
I first started nursing in the mid 1970's and not general nursing due to experiences growing up my vocation was in the area of mental health. (Before the days of care in the community we had wonderful places called mental hospitals excuse the un PC use of the word mental). Although a large majority of our patients were psycho geriatrics, we also had a large intake from Broadmoor (psychiatric hospital for the criminal insane) for life time care. At the far end of the buildings were clinics treating patients for depression, breakdowns etc, apart from ECT drug therapy accounted for 80% of the care programme.
Most of the patients treated for depression had a very successful recovery rate through this method of treatment so I do have faith in the use of anti depressants. Although I have my questions and doubts about long term side effects of SSRI's from my own experiences they work very well. I could be wrong however, I do believe one of the reasons for the development of SSRI's was to allow people to continue life within the community during the treatment process. As I said although the drug therapy programme previously was successful in treating depression, the type of drugs used back then were horrid and required in patient care as a result of the serious side effects.
I would never discount the use of CBT in treating the depression for what ever reason this illness develops but, in a cost driven health service SSRI's will always be given first and formost to reduce the cost.
On a lighter note Tex, yep yesterday's posting was that I have been awake all night
Oh the joys of steriod side effects!
I first started nursing in the mid 1970's and not general nursing due to experiences growing up my vocation was in the area of mental health. (Before the days of care in the community we had wonderful places called mental hospitals excuse the un PC use of the word mental). Although a large majority of our patients were psycho geriatrics, we also had a large intake from Broadmoor (psychiatric hospital for the criminal insane) for life time care. At the far end of the buildings were clinics treating patients for depression, breakdowns etc, apart from ECT drug therapy accounted for 80% of the care programme.
Most of the patients treated for depression had a very successful recovery rate through this method of treatment so I do have faith in the use of anti depressants. Although I have my questions and doubts about long term side effects of SSRI's from my own experiences they work very well. I could be wrong however, I do believe one of the reasons for the development of SSRI's was to allow people to continue life within the community during the treatment process. As I said although the drug therapy programme previously was successful in treating depression, the type of drugs used back then were horrid and required in patient care as a result of the serious side effects.
I would never discount the use of CBT in treating the depression for what ever reason this illness develops but, in a cost driven health service SSRI's will always be given first and formost to reduce the cost.
On a lighter note Tex, yep yesterday's posting was that I have been awake all night
Oh the joys of steriod side effects!
Mini,
Very interesting. You've obviously had a lot of experience dealing with depressed patients. If I remember what I read in the article correctly, SSRIs are effective for treating moderate to severe depression, but worthless for mild depression. That seems kind of odd, but I suppose nothing should surprise us anymore.
Thanks for all the insight.
Tex
Very interesting. You've obviously had a lot of experience dealing with depressed patients. If I remember what I read in the article correctly, SSRIs are effective for treating moderate to severe depression, but worthless for mild depression. That seems kind of odd, but I suppose nothing should surprise us anymore.
Thanks for all the insight.
Tex
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Hmm depressed patients yes but, I do believe if memory serves me well how much I enjoyed my working days at the psychiatric hospital back then. We were paid a lot more than general nurses, and always had some wonderful stories to tell, I even remember the names of some of the patients I had cared for and the methods of escape they tried lol.
JJ
Glad you managed to get some sleep so far I have gone two days on 8 hours, hoping for a few hours sleep tonight
Hmm depressed patients yes but, I do believe if memory serves me well how much I enjoyed my working days at the psychiatric hospital back then. We were paid a lot more than general nurses, and always had some wonderful stories to tell, I even remember the names of some of the patients I had cared for and the methods of escape they tried lol.
JJ
Glad you managed to get some sleep so far I have gone two days on 8 hours, hoping for a few hours sleep tonight
tonight....pleasant dreams!