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Some are interested in what you are making & eating in those caves!!!!
Dee~~~~~~
Paleo People!!!
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Paleo People!!!
Come out of those caves for a bit!!!
Some are interested in what you are making & eating in those caves!!!!
Dee~~~~~~
Some are interested in what you are making & eating in those caves!!!!
Dee~~~~~~
"What the heart gives away is never gone ... It is kept in the hearts of others."
Hi Dee,
Here I am!
Here's what I ate yesterday:
B-cinnamon applesauce with fresh blueberries and pecans stirred into it and a glass of pure apple juice cut 1/2 with water
L-homemade chicken-veggie soup and a salmon burger with mustard
D-turkey meatloaf, baked sweet potato, and a steamed fresh rainbow chard/kale mixture from Trader Joe's
Snack - more turkey meatloaf!
What's up with your new project? Any time to work on it yet?
Love,
Polly
Here I am!
Here's what I ate yesterday:
B-cinnamon applesauce with fresh blueberries and pecans stirred into it and a glass of pure apple juice cut 1/2 with water
L-homemade chicken-veggie soup and a salmon burger with mustard
D-turkey meatloaf, baked sweet potato, and a steamed fresh rainbow chard/kale mixture from Trader Joe's
Snack - more turkey meatloaf!
What's up with your new project? Any time to work on it yet?
Love,
Polly
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.
Well!! There's my cavewoman pal!!!!!!
Good to hear from you!
The project is in the organization stage at this point.
Then it will be sorting & picking, tweaking, etc.....
Lots of work ahead of me, but worth it if it can help others.
Love
Dee~~~
Good to hear from you!
The project is in the organization stage at this point.
Then it will be sorting & picking, tweaking, etc.....
Lots of work ahead of me, but worth it if it can help others.
Love
Dee~~~
"What the heart gives away is never gone ... It is kept in the hearts of others."
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Hi Dee,
I'm keeping tabs on your project from a distance. I'm one who should eat paleo. BUT I probably don't have enough recipes to be able to rotate them and feel the variety.
I wanted to ask you if you've ever seen recipe books aimed at autistic children. They've been really helpful to me. They might be helpful to you as a basis of recipes (that you could improve on).
I hope you make a big announcement when you're close to publication . .
Marsha
I'm keeping tabs on your project from a distance. I'm one who should eat paleo. BUT I probably don't have enough recipes to be able to rotate them and feel the variety.
I wanted to ask you if you've ever seen recipe books aimed at autistic children. They've been really helpful to me. They might be helpful to you as a basis of recipes (that you could improve on).
I hope you make a big announcement when you're close to publication . .
Marsha
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Hopeliveshere
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THANKS!
I am glad to see that this is being done! As I was just thinking today..WHAT DO THE PALEO PEOPLE EAT LOL
Thanks DEE...Looking forward to reading more of what others eat
Thanks DEE...Looking forward to reading more of what others eat
Mast Cells, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue
Hi Jeannine!
Good to see you here in the caves!
Gotta run - am going out of town for the weekend, but wanted to respond. As you can see, paleo eating is pretty plain. For some gourmet paleo recipes, check out www.cavemanfood.blogspot.com.
Polly
Good to see you here in the caves!
Gotta run - am going out of town for the weekend, but wanted to respond. As you can see, paleo eating is pretty plain. For some gourmet paleo recipes, check out www.cavemanfood.blogspot.com.
Polly
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.
Hi Jeannine,
Here is a forum that contains a number of past discussions about meal suggestions for multiply intolerant people, and some of these are paleo type meals:
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=53
Tex
Here is a forum that contains a number of past discussions about meal suggestions for multiply intolerant people, and some of these are paleo type meals:
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=53
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Thanks
Tex do you and polly have a post of what you did at first with diet that is in detail?
THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!! You have a true calling for it!
Jeannine
PS I just moved away from Texas area as I was in Shreveport Louisiana
THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!! You have a true calling for it!
Jeannine
PS I just moved away from Texas area as I was in Shreveport Louisiana
Mast Cells, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue
Jeannine,
We each have various posts scattered through the archives, roughly describing how we went about our treatment programs, but I'm not sure that any of them are very comprehensive. In my own case, I was extremely disorganized, and I was sick off and on for a couple of years before the D started and wouldn't stop, and I finally decided to face up to the problem, and go to see a doctor about it. My doctor decided that I had cancer, so he sent me to a GI doc who agreed, and I was given every test he thought was appropriate, but he never found anything wrong with me. After that, I floundered around for about a year and a half, before figuring out how to achieve remission. Because of all the time wasted trying to find a solution, and years of unnecessary suffering, and even some permanent damage to my GI system, plus the fact that my GI doc was no help at all, I felt a need to try to help others who might find themselves in the same dilemma, in order to shorten their path to remission. I can't speak for Polly, but I'm pretty sure that she feels the same way. I believe that she was much better organized, in her journey back to good health.
Basically, after doing a lot of research, I decided that I must be a celiac, so I cut out gluten. I started keeping a food diary, including reactions, and notes on how I felt, a few weeks before I started the GF diet, and after that didn't bring remission in a month or so, I started "testing" other foods. After a year, I seemed to be a little better, but I kept getting sick. It took me another six months to get my act together. Here's a quote from an old post, that discusses this:
To answer your question about diet details, I cut out gluten, for about a year and a half, and then I also cut out all sources of dairy, corn, all but small amounts of all types of sugar, all fruit, all vegetables, (except for squash, an occasion serving of green beans, and broccoli - broccoli causes gas, though), all nuts, and all sources of soy. As soon as I made that step, I was in remission within a couple of weeks. For approximately two years, I lived on meat, (mostly pork and poultry, because I reacted to beef), potatoes, rice, those three vegetables mentioned, and I drank water and unsweetened tea. Every time I experimented with anything else, I ended up getting sick, so I stopped experimenting, and allowed my gut to heal. After that, I was able to slowly introduce foods back into my diet, starting with small "doses", and slowly working up, and now I can eat virtually anything, (except gluten, of course). Beef and peanuts still cause me to have gas, bloating, a few aches and pains, and a generally cruddy feeling for about a half day or so, (just as they always did, while I was healing), but they don't cause D - they never did before, either.
I am fortunate, in that the foods that I had to cut out of my diet were apparently "irritants", and not "intolerances". Most of us are not that lucky. If you do tests at Enterolab, and they come back positive, then you will probably never be able to eat those foods again, without reacting - except for yeast. It appears that we are only yeast intolerant when we actually have a yeast overgrowth. My tests were all negative, except for evidence of gluten intolerance, and sure enough, I am now able to eat those foods again.
Remember that we are all different, and everyone has to fine their own diet selections, (or else cut out all possible intolerances, and experiment with reintroducing them, after acquiring remission.
Best of luck with your program, and please keep us posted on your progress.
Tex
We each have various posts scattered through the archives, roughly describing how we went about our treatment programs, but I'm not sure that any of them are very comprehensive. In my own case, I was extremely disorganized, and I was sick off and on for a couple of years before the D started and wouldn't stop, and I finally decided to face up to the problem, and go to see a doctor about it. My doctor decided that I had cancer, so he sent me to a GI doc who agreed, and I was given every test he thought was appropriate, but he never found anything wrong with me. After that, I floundered around for about a year and a half, before figuring out how to achieve remission. Because of all the time wasted trying to find a solution, and years of unnecessary suffering, and even some permanent damage to my GI system, plus the fact that my GI doc was no help at all, I felt a need to try to help others who might find themselves in the same dilemma, in order to shorten their path to remission. I can't speak for Polly, but I'm pretty sure that she feels the same way. I believe that she was much better organized, in her journey back to good health.
Basically, after doing a lot of research, I decided that I must be a celiac, so I cut out gluten. I started keeping a food diary, including reactions, and notes on how I felt, a few weeks before I started the GF diet, and after that didn't bring remission in a month or so, I started "testing" other foods. After a year, I seemed to be a little better, but I kept getting sick. It took me another six months to get my act together. Here's a quote from an old post, that discusses this:
Unfortunately, I didn't find an MC discussion and support board, until after I was in remission, (because I didn't know what I had - you can't find MC, unless you know what you're looking for, and that applies to information and support, also). Anyway, a few months later, I stumbled across the old board, where Polly and the other "pioneers" met every day, and I thought, "WOW!" These people are all just like me. When I first joined, I thought that I was just wasting my time, because I was already in remission. I soon found that I learned more there, every week, than I had learned in a year of researching, on my own. Their support, compassion, and understanding, was truly empowering, for someone who had been "lost in the wilderness" for so long. Finding this group of wonderful people was surely the best day of my life.I remember after I first cut out gluten, I was keeping a diary, and I could see that dairy products and corn, were causing problems, (among other things, such as fruit, nuts, sugar, and some veggies, especially lettuce), sooooo about every two or three weeks, I couldn't resist "testing" myself, to see if my gut was "healed" well enough to begin eating them again. Consequently, every two or three weeks, I got sick again. LOL.
I wasn't a big fan of the other intolerances anyway, so I never tried them, and at the time, my best guess was that I might be a celiac, so I wasn't about to eat any gluten, but I had read that any type of enteritis can cause temporary lactose intolerance, so I incorrectly assumed that my dairy problem was due to lactose intolerance, and therefore it should be temporary. At the time, I couldn't find any references to corn intolerances, (only corn allergies), so I assumed that it was temporary, also, and I hadn't run across any discussion boards that made any sense to me, since I didn't really know what I had, anyway, (I couldn't find any celiacs talking about corn intolerances).
Anyway, I finally figured out that it was the casein that was causing the problem, so I quit testing myself, and things went much better after that. LOL.
The thing about food testing, though, if you're taking a med, is that meds change the way that we respond to them. Without meds, it's pretty straightforward. The consensus of opinion on this board, in the past, (among those of us using diet alone, to control our symptoms), has been that remission can always be achieved by diet alone. We've had so many tough cases to come along lately, though, that now, that position has been called into question. Deep down, I still believe that diet alone can do the job. The problem is, if there is one single confounding element in the diet, then the whole effort is a lost cause. Stories like the one that Carey posted, about coffee laced with corn, for example, illustrate how easy it can be to be "stumped" by a diet, even though you might be doing everything right.
To answer your question about diet details, I cut out gluten, for about a year and a half, and then I also cut out all sources of dairy, corn, all but small amounts of all types of sugar, all fruit, all vegetables, (except for squash, an occasion serving of green beans, and broccoli - broccoli causes gas, though), all nuts, and all sources of soy. As soon as I made that step, I was in remission within a couple of weeks. For approximately two years, I lived on meat, (mostly pork and poultry, because I reacted to beef), potatoes, rice, those three vegetables mentioned, and I drank water and unsweetened tea. Every time I experimented with anything else, I ended up getting sick, so I stopped experimenting, and allowed my gut to heal. After that, I was able to slowly introduce foods back into my diet, starting with small "doses", and slowly working up, and now I can eat virtually anything, (except gluten, of course). Beef and peanuts still cause me to have gas, bloating, a few aches and pains, and a generally cruddy feeling for about a half day or so, (just as they always did, while I was healing), but they don't cause D - they never did before, either.
I am fortunate, in that the foods that I had to cut out of my diet were apparently "irritants", and not "intolerances". Most of us are not that lucky. If you do tests at Enterolab, and they come back positive, then you will probably never be able to eat those foods again, without reacting - except for yeast. It appears that we are only yeast intolerant when we actually have a yeast overgrowth. My tests were all negative, except for evidence of gluten intolerance, and sure enough, I am now able to eat those foods again.
Remember that we are all different, and everyone has to fine their own diet selections, (or else cut out all possible intolerances, and experiment with reintroducing them, after acquiring remission.
Best of luck with your program, and please keep us posted on your progress.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Jeannine,
I'm afraid I wasn't as organized as Tex gives me credit for. Being the first person here with multiple intolerances (MIs) I used primarily a hit or miss approach. It was very hard teasing out my intolerances because Entocort was not yet available to control the diarrhea (D), so it was difficult to find out which speciific food was giving me D when all I ever had was D. If that makes sense?! It took 9 mo. to see a formed BM.
Anyway, then along came Karen (moremuscle), who also appeared to have MIs but who jumped right to the paleo diet and went into remission in far less time then I had. From then on, I became a believer in the caveman diet.
The best way to learn about it is to get Loren Cordain's book, "The Paleo Diet". It cites at least 400 research studies as to why this diet may be the healthiest. And it has recipe suggestions too.
Keep on asking those questions!
Love,
Polly
I'm afraid I wasn't as organized as Tex gives me credit for.
Being the first person here with multiple intolerances (MIs) I used primarily a hit or miss approach. It was very hard teasing out my intolerances because Entocort was not yet available to control the diarrhea (D), so it was difficult to find out which speciific food was giving me D when all I ever had was D. If that makes sense?! It took 9 mo. to see a formed BM. Anyway, then along came Karen (moremuscle), who also appeared to have MIs but who jumped right to the paleo diet and went into remission in far less time then I had. From then on, I became a believer in the caveman diet.
The best way to learn about it is to get Loren Cordain's book, "The Paleo Diet". It cites at least 400 research studies as to why this diet may be the healthiest. And it has recipe suggestions too.
Keep on asking those questions!
Love,
Polly
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.
Hi everyone,
http://wildhorse.insinc.com/directms03oct2007/
Do not know if this slide show has already been posted, but it seems like a really good thesis on Paleo followed by how various modern foods (+ genes) can induce MS. Light bulbs
started going off as I read it. Might do the same for others.....
Best, Ant
http://wildhorse.insinc.com/directms03oct2007/
Do not know if this slide show has already been posted, but it seems like a really good thesis on Paleo followed by how various modern foods (+ genes) can induce MS. Light bulbs
started going off as I read it. Might do the same for others..... Best, Ant
I am Karen (formerly moremuscle, but I had forgotten my password and needed to register again) - Hi Polly, Wayne, Lucy and ALL!!!!
Straight from the cave to you: (in no particular order)
- hamburger (not low fat)
- brocoli (steamed in microwave)
- leftover oven roasted root veggies from Thanksgiving (small potatos, sweet potatos, mushrooms, onions, garlic)
- cold sliced turkey breast (leftover - roasted turkey, bought it fresh w/o injections)
- Bob's Red Mill glutenfree oatmeal cooked stovetop with water, fresh cranberries, sliced apples, ground cinnamon
- handfuls of nuts, some walnut, hazelnut, brazilnut
- 3 cups of homemade coffee throughout the day
- a banana
- several cups of hot black tea with sliced ginger and cinnamon stick
- couple spoonfuls of Smucker's Natural Peanut Butter
- roasted (reheated) butternut squash
- pickle (Bubba's) (one of my favorite ways to give life to cold chicken/turkey)
- fresh Bartlett Pear
- fresh whole apple
- dark chocolate (avoid soy lecithin)
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Most days are a variation on the above theme. However, we often have a fresh salad with dinner meat once a day. I tolerate salads very well. I make my own olive oil, Alessi white balsamic vinegar dressing with garlic, slt/pepper. I sometimes use olives as a condiment - Bella, oil cured olives, or Calamata Olives.
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In addition to fresh meat or fish (that I cook before we eat it) I also tolerate some canned fish: Sardines in olive oil, Anchovies in olive oil, Kippers (in water). I love to use Anchovie or Sardine oil on a baked potato (instead of butter).
Hi Karen,
It's great to see a post from you again. I've been wondering how you're doing, and if you're still following the paleo diet. (Apparently you are). I'll bet you're still running marathons, also.
Speaking of running, Polly is currently recovering from knee surgery, (a couple of weeks ago), due to an issue with torn cartilage that wouldn't heal. We're not sure if she will continue to run after she recovers, or not, but the operation went smoothly, and I'm sure she's well on her way toward regaining normal use of it by now. She hasn't updated us in a while.
If you would like to resume using your old account, I can assign a new password to it, and you can log on with that password, and then you can change your password to whatever you like. Or, if you would rather continue to use the new account, I can transfer all your old posts to it, and delete the old account. Or, I suppose you could leave it the way it is, but you've written many, many very helpful posts, so we sure don't want to lose track of them.
Thanks for sharing your menu suggestions. We don't get near enough posts from cave dwellers these days. I guess they're all too busy hunting and gathering food.
Anyway, it's great to hear from you again. Please post more often, if you can find the time.
Love,
Wayne
It's great to see a post from you again. I've been wondering how you're doing, and if you're still following the paleo diet. (Apparently you are). I'll bet you're still running marathons, also.
Speaking of running, Polly is currently recovering from knee surgery, (a couple of weeks ago), due to an issue with torn cartilage that wouldn't heal. We're not sure if she will continue to run after she recovers, or not, but the operation went smoothly, and I'm sure she's well on her way toward regaining normal use of it by now. She hasn't updated us in a while.
If you would like to resume using your old account, I can assign a new password to it, and you can log on with that password, and then you can change your password to whatever you like. Or, if you would rather continue to use the new account, I can transfer all your old posts to it, and delete the old account. Or, I suppose you could leave it the way it is, but you've written many, many very helpful posts, so we sure don't want to lose track of them.
Thanks for sharing your menu suggestions. We don't get near enough posts from cave dwellers these days. I guess they're all too busy hunting and gathering food.
Anyway, it's great to hear from you again. Please post more often, if you can find the time.
Love,
Wayne
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
There really should be a chain of Paleo restaurants serving wild meats, fish, roasted nuts etc. I can imagine a "cave" designed interior with wood fires and benches covered with animal skins etc. There could also be an outdoor version where shellfish and fish are barbecued on the beach under the stars......
Just dreaming, all best Ant
Just dreaming, all best Ant