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Some of us have Lymphocytic Colitis (that was my diagnosis)
Some of us have Collagenous Colitis
A blanket term for them is Microscopic Colitis (that's what I always tell people that I have)
But the treatment for both types is the same.
A few of us have also been diagnosed with Celiac Disease as well as Microscopic Colitis.
A lot of us probably don't really know which positive gene's we have. A lot of us haven't had that type of testing, at least not yet.
Don't know if this helps or not.............
Love, Shirley
Some of us have Collagenous Colitis
A blanket term for them is Microscopic Colitis (that's what I always tell people that I have)
But the treatment for both types is the same.
A few of us have also been diagnosed with Celiac Disease as well as Microscopic Colitis.
A lot of us probably don't really know which positive gene's we have. A lot of us haven't had that type of testing, at least not yet.
Don't know if this helps or not.............
Love, Shirley
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber"
-- Winston Churchill
-- Winston Churchill
Hola Bea,
I do not believe that anyone has done a study comparing the genes of people with celiac disease, and MC. We have compiled a list of the DNA gene test results of our members, but as Shirley wrote, not all of us have done a gene test, and we do not have very many members who have been diagnosed with both diseases, and who have listed their gene test results. If you look at our list, for example, Courtney has both celiac disease and microscopic colitis, but her genes are exactly the same as mine, with one celiac gene, and one non-celiac gene that predisposes to gluten sensitivity.
Of course, it is possible that I may also have celiac disease, because I was never tested for celiac disease. If someone has MC, however, it does not matter if they have celiac disease, because controlling the MC will also control the celiac symptoms.
Having at least one celiac gene means that we are predisposed to developing celiac disease, but it does not guarantee that we will ever have the disease. Many people have the genes, but never develop the disease. Likewise, having a non-celiac gene, that predisposes to MC, or gluten sensitivity, does not mean that the disease will ever develop. Again, many people have the genes, but never develop the disease. We receive one copy of these genes from each of our parents. If one parent has two celiac genes, then we will definitely receive a celiac gene from that parent. If a parent has one celiac gene, then we have a 50-50 chance of receiving a celiac gene from that parent. If a parent has no celiac genes, then there is no chance that we will receive a celiac gene from that parent. The odds of receiving a celiac gene from the other parent would be calculated the same way. If both parents have two copies of celiac genes each, then we would receive two celiac genes from our parents. If both parents have one celiac gene, each, then we would have a 50-50 chance of receiving one celiac gene, and a one in four chance of receiving two celiac genes. (We would also have a one in four chance of receiving no celiac gene from either parent). Two copies of a gene means that we have a better chance of developing the disease than we would with only one copy, but it does not guarantee that we will develop the disease during our lifetime.
Here is the list of gene test results for our members:
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... 6656#16656
If you look at the last person on the list, Wendy, (piemom), you will see that she has both celiac genes, and yet at the time of her diagnosis of lymphocytic colitis, (LC), she tested negative to celiac disease, (even though she suspects that she has it). Several other members here have two celiac genes, and yet they have MC, but were not diagnosed with celiac disease. Not all of us have celiac genes, but most of us do. So in my opinion, the answer to your question is:
Yes, we have the same types of genes as celiacs. Therefore, we can have either celiac disease, microscopic colitis, or both diseases.
Tex
I do not believe that anyone has done a study comparing the genes of people with celiac disease, and MC. We have compiled a list of the DNA gene test results of our members, but as Shirley wrote, not all of us have done a gene test, and we do not have very many members who have been diagnosed with both diseases, and who have listed their gene test results. If you look at our list, for example, Courtney has both celiac disease and microscopic colitis, but her genes are exactly the same as mine, with one celiac gene, and one non-celiac gene that predisposes to gluten sensitivity.
Of course, it is possible that I may also have celiac disease, because I was never tested for celiac disease. If someone has MC, however, it does not matter if they have celiac disease, because controlling the MC will also control the celiac symptoms.
Having at least one celiac gene means that we are predisposed to developing celiac disease, but it does not guarantee that we will ever have the disease. Many people have the genes, but never develop the disease. Likewise, having a non-celiac gene, that predisposes to MC, or gluten sensitivity, does not mean that the disease will ever develop. Again, many people have the genes, but never develop the disease. We receive one copy of these genes from each of our parents. If one parent has two celiac genes, then we will definitely receive a celiac gene from that parent. If a parent has one celiac gene, then we have a 50-50 chance of receiving a celiac gene from that parent. If a parent has no celiac genes, then there is no chance that we will receive a celiac gene from that parent. The odds of receiving a celiac gene from the other parent would be calculated the same way. If both parents have two copies of celiac genes each, then we would receive two celiac genes from our parents. If both parents have one celiac gene, each, then we would have a 50-50 chance of receiving one celiac gene, and a one in four chance of receiving two celiac genes. (We would also have a one in four chance of receiving no celiac gene from either parent). Two copies of a gene means that we have a better chance of developing the disease than we would with only one copy, but it does not guarantee that we will develop the disease during our lifetime.
Here is the list of gene test results for our members:
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... 6656#16656
If you look at the last person on the list, Wendy, (piemom), you will see that she has both celiac genes, and yet at the time of her diagnosis of lymphocytic colitis, (LC), she tested negative to celiac disease, (even though she suspects that she has it). Several other members here have two celiac genes, and yet they have MC, but were not diagnosed with celiac disease. Not all of us have celiac genes, but most of us do. So in my opinion, the answer to your question is:
Yes, we have the same types of genes as celiacs. Therefore, we can have either celiac disease, microscopic colitis, or both diseases.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
so if a person aren´t celiac, but she or he has colithis linfothitica, should make diet gluten free?
witch is the difference beetwen gluten sensibility and celiac?
In my case it seems that I have the dq8 positive, but blood tests and biopsy negative. In your opinion should I do?
and counted as the gluten-free diet for 6 months did not effect me, perhaps I need more time or taking any medication or i have other intolerance.
Tomorrow I will go with the doctor and i don´t know that tell himl because he's not sure my problem is with the gluten.
do you think in my case that i´m celiac? or only have colitis whit gluten sensibility¿¿
thank you very much
witch is the difference beetwen gluten sensibility and celiac?
In my case it seems that I have the dq8 positive, but blood tests and biopsy negative. In your opinion should I do?
and counted as the gluten-free diet for 6 months did not effect me, perhaps I need more time or taking any medication or i have other intolerance.
Tomorrow I will go with the doctor and i don´t know that tell himl because he's not sure my problem is with the gluten.
do you think in my case that i´m celiac? or only have colitis whit gluten sensibility¿¿
thank you very much
Bea wrote:so if a person aren´t celiac, but she or he has colithis linfothitica, should make diet gluten free?
Not all of us are sensitive to gluten, but very, very few of us are not. Out of several hundred members here, about 3 or 4 may not be gluten sensitive, but the rest definitely are. Just because the GF diet did not stop your symptoms, does not mean that you are not gluten sensitive. If you are also sensitive to other foods, and you continue to eat them, while on a GF diet, then the diet cannot prevent your symptoms. You have to remove all food intolerances from your diet, in order to see improvement, and you have to do this long enough to allow your intestines to heal, before you will see improvement. If you were still eating dairy products, and/or soy, while you were on the GF diet, then they would have caused your symptoms to continue.
Bea wrote:witch is the difference beetwen gluten sensibility and celiac?
Gluten sensitivity is the condition of having an adverse reaction to gluten, whenever you eat it. Celiac disease is a specific diagnosis, based on the presence of antiendomysial antibodies, or tissue transglutaminase antibodies, in the blood, plus visible, (under the microscope), damage to the villi of the small intestine. IOW, until celiac disease develops to the point where all of these markers are present, the doctors refuse to recognize it as celiac disease. Until the antibodies are found in the blood, and the villi have significant damage, the patient cannot have celiac disease, according to the doctors.
The doctors are wrong, of course, because if you are gluten sensitive, and you continue to eat gluten, you will slowly develop celiac disease, and eventually your symptoms will become bad enough that they will be able to diagnose you, (by blood tests and biopsies of the villi of the small intestine).
If I were you, I would never eat any gluten again, because if you continue to eat it, you will develop celiac disease.Bea wrote:In my case it seems that I have the dq8 positive, but blood tests and biopsy negative. In your opinion should I do?
It took me over a year and a half on the GF diet before I was able to reach remission. Only after I removed all intolerances from my diet, was I able to achieve remission.Bea wrote:and counted as the gluten-free diet for 6 months did not effect me, perhaps I need more time or taking any medication or i have other intolerance.
The doctor will probably insist that gluten has nothing to do with your symptoms. If he does, then there is no point in arguing with him, because that would only upset him, for a patient to try to tell him that he is wrong.Bea wrote:Tomorrow I will go with the doctor and i don´t know that tell himl because he's not sure my problem is with the gluten.
Ahora, tiene usted solo colitis linfocítica, with gluten sensitivity. If you continue to eat gluten, you will continue to develop celiac symptoms, and one day, you will have fully developed celiac disease. That's just my opinion - I am not a doctor.Bea wrote:do you think in my case that i´m celiac? or only have colitis whit gluten sensibility¿¿
You are very welcome,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
people who do not have sensitivity to gluten because lymphocytic colitis? which would be your treatment?
today i will go whit de doctor, probably he said me that my problem isn´t gluten, but I think I will do diet gluten free. I think not depressed any treatment needs to support, because I can not endure a year with these symptoms without being good. I also discuss the evidence for other food intolerances
today i will go whit de doctor, probably he said me that my problem isn´t gluten, but I think I will do diet gluten free. I think not depressed any treatment needs to support, because I can not endure a year with these symptoms without being good. I also discuss the evidence for other food intolerances
Usually, if someone is not sensitive to gluten, their MC is caused by a medication, such as NSAIDs, or a PPI, and all they have to do is stop using the medication, and their symptoms will stop.
Buena suerte with the doctor visit.
Tex
Buena suerte with the doctor visit.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.