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Hi all,
Have any of your relatives participated in either Y-chromosome (called Sirname) projects (for male lineage) or mitochondrial DNA projects (called Eve projects for female ancestory)?
Have recently received information on my father's lineage related to some family members who agreed to participate by donating a cheek swab. The results are VERRRRY interesting.
Would be interested to know whether any of you have the results of these studies to see what your family Haplotype values are on the male side right now, as we don't yet have any information from our female side, and don't even know who are female lineage is back very far. Think this is typical for female lines.
Just curious to see if we're not all from the same genetic lines, and also to learn our migratory patterns as geography would be interesting to know with our dietary issues. Information is rapidly developing from these types of studies.
Did some hunting around on my own last night, and discovered that my male line has the family haplotype of R1b1b2. The way I think I understand it is that we are what's called British Celts as one of our DNA mutated, the one that matches the males of my father's sirname. There were apparently some of what is into Celts and Basques (C/B Haplotypes).
Interestingly, these C/B's or Brythronic Celts, are NOT associated with INDO-EUROPEANS who later moved into the areas of the C/B's occupied in pre-history western Europe. Of course, our line was the celtic branch which occupied parts of France, Belgium, Luxemburg, and west of the Rhine around 2500-3000 YTD (what does that mean, anyway??) which was called Gaul.
Think this may have been a surprise to many, particularly those using linguistics to trace people movements during those times. This is largely due to these people eventually adopting other people's languages who came there later, other than the Basque lines that remained on the continent, of course, as they kept their old language.
Anyway, some of this Brythronic Celt branch of the B/C group, moved into the British Isles around 700 to 100 B.C. While in the British Isles, our family's Y-DNA got one mutation that's used to identify family lines using what's called "junk DNA" because it's not used for specific ID of individuals or for paternity or other purposes or medical predictions. This one mutation tells us when our male ancestory moved into Great Britain.
Our Celts, originally of Gaul, branched from the Haplogroup, R1b celts which broke up into 5 subgroups detected from 5 mutations that occurred over the last 2000 yrs, each happening at about the rate of one every 200 yrs.
R1b haplogroup (p25+)is called Paleolithic West/Europe dating from 18,000 years ago and is the haplogroup of what is called Atlantic Modal which includes Celts, Basques, Bretagore (sp) and the Flemish.
Now for the GREAT BIG FAMILY we are from -- haploGROUP R. R is called "proto-Aryan" which includes both Slavs and Celts before they separated from each other. Also, it includes some "Indians of the subcontinent" and North African Aryans as well as Australian Aboringines.
History has it that the proto-Aryans or R haplogroup are descendants of Japheth via Magog, possibly with Gomer. If you recall, Japheth was one of the sons of Noah of Arc acclaim. Funny but we don't have any Gomer's in our family names. Hmm, remember Gomer Pyle? Hee hee!
Wow, I hope I got all of this right. Anyway, I believe I read something about our ancestors being more of the hunter gather types than the Indo-Europeans who later invaded their territories, so thought I'd pass that along.
This stuff just fascinates me!!!
Yours, Luce
Genetics
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Lucy,
My uncle had the test done several years ago before there were as many participants. At the time I thought the information was pretty general - "you're of European descent", for example.
Since then, I've attended a couple of genealogy workshops on using DNA to determine lineage. As you stated, it is much easier to follow the male line than the female line. This is still in its infancy and will become more relevant as time goes on and more people submit their DNA for matching in the database.
Our local genealogy society is having a speaker on this very topic next Tuesday night. Unfortunately, I'll be out of town - on a genealogy trip!
It sounds like you have a pretty good grasp of the science behind it, probably better than I do.
Now if we could just get Dr. Fine to publish a paper on genetics and specific food intolerances...
Gloria
My uncle had the test done several years ago before there were as many participants. At the time I thought the information was pretty general - "you're of European descent", for example.
Since then, I've attended a couple of genealogy workshops on using DNA to determine lineage. As you stated, it is much easier to follow the male line than the female line. This is still in its infancy and will become more relevant as time goes on and more people submit their DNA for matching in the database.
Our local genealogy society is having a speaker on this very topic next Tuesday night. Unfortunately, I'll be out of town - on a genealogy trip!
It sounds like you have a pretty good grasp of the science behind it, probably better than I do.
Now if we could just get Dr. Fine to publish a paper on genetics and specific food intolerances...
Gloria
You never know what you can do until you have to do it.
Gloria,
I need to study the system for classifying genes -- all different since the dark ages when I took genetics. I read parts of some studies last night about possibile things that can happen using mitochondrial DNA, and it has raised questions for me. I'm wondering if I would ever be able to connect with distant female relatives this way?? Could turn up some fairly distant ones, but have my doubts about establishing a chain as I can't locate enough documentation on "paper." I would really like to know more about my mother's and father's female lineage.
What makes things difficult in terms of the "paper trail" is that, well...there isn't one for females!
We have verified our cousin-ship to as distant as 6th cousins (of my generation) via this method. To find the nearest common ancestor between his family and ours, one has to go back to the father of our Revolutionary War ancestor -- that's pretty good, I think. What's been harder is establishing anything about them before they came from Great Britain. The records burned at the courthouse on the east coast, soo..
The testing also verified all that we already knew from my first cousin, the geneologist's research.
Welp, we have a common interest! Wish you could go hear something on the topic. Perhaps that speaker will return another time. Are you familier with FAMILY TREE? They have alot of information about their studies on their website. There lab is here in town. It was actually chosed due to it's having a large data base, I think. My cousin's husband researched the ways to get this done, and thought that was the way to go.
Did you get a copy of their findings?
Wow, I sure should've proof read that last message -- ARC??? How about Ark!!!
Yours, Luce
I need to study the system for classifying genes -- all different since the dark ages when I took genetics. I read parts of some studies last night about possibile things that can happen using mitochondrial DNA, and it has raised questions for me. I'm wondering if I would ever be able to connect with distant female relatives this way?? Could turn up some fairly distant ones, but have my doubts about establishing a chain as I can't locate enough documentation on "paper." I would really like to know more about my mother's and father's female lineage.
What makes things difficult in terms of the "paper trail" is that, well...there isn't one for females!
We have verified our cousin-ship to as distant as 6th cousins (of my generation) via this method. To find the nearest common ancestor between his family and ours, one has to go back to the father of our Revolutionary War ancestor -- that's pretty good, I think. What's been harder is establishing anything about them before they came from Great Britain. The records burned at the courthouse on the east coast, soo..
The testing also verified all that we already knew from my first cousin, the geneologist's research.
Welp, we have a common interest! Wish you could go hear something on the topic. Perhaps that speaker will return another time. Are you familier with FAMILY TREE? They have alot of information about their studies on their website. There lab is here in town. It was actually chosed due to it's having a large data base, I think. My cousin's husband researched the ways to get this done, and thought that was the way to go.
Did you get a copy of their findings?
Wow, I sure should've proof read that last message -- ARC??? How about Ark!!!
Yours, Luce