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So we go out to celebrate our daughter making the 7th grade cheerleading squad at her middle school, and I order a chef salad to be safe. I have not started the GF diet yet, but just wanted to have a "good" night. Anyway, no carrots on the salad because I am allergic to carrots, just lettuce, cheese, ham, boiled eggs, ranch dressing. We eat, go home, and then I go to the store to get dessert (about 30 min after we eat), and half way through the store I start hurting, and gotta go! So I have to rush home.......... Not the night I wanted! Can't wait to get my results to see what I need to quit eating. I am sure the casein test will be positive.......maybe....
What to do?
Til next time,
Romanita
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Hi Romanita,
Sorry about your MC spoiling your evening. Are you aware that fiber is contraindicated for MC? Lettuce seems to be one of the most irritating foods that many of us can eat, when we're either in a flare, of our gut is not yet healed. When the intestines are inflamed, fiber tends to be very irritating, especially lettuce. Garlic and/or onions bother many of us, and I believe that ranch dressing contains both. Of course, there's a good chance that the casein might indeed be the primary problem with that salad. IOW, it may have hit you with a double whammy.
IMO, it sucks, that GI docs, in particular, expect their patients to continue to suffer, often for quite a few weeks, until they can get around to scheduling a colonoscopy. If they were the ones living in the bathroom, you can bet that they would be pulling some strings, trying to get it scheduled a lot sooner.
Tex
Sorry about your MC spoiling your evening. Are you aware that fiber is contraindicated for MC? Lettuce seems to be one of the most irritating foods that many of us can eat, when we're either in a flare, of our gut is not yet healed. When the intestines are inflamed, fiber tends to be very irritating, especially lettuce. Garlic and/or onions bother many of us, and I believe that ranch dressing contains both. Of course, there's a good chance that the casein might indeed be the primary problem with that salad. IOW, it may have hit you with a double whammy.
IMO, it sucks, that GI docs, in particular, expect their patients to continue to suffer, often for quite a few weeks, until they can get around to scheduling a colonoscopy. If they were the ones living in the bathroom, you can bet that they would be pulling some strings, trying to get it scheduled a lot sooner.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
You know Tex, I told my husband this evening that I would probably get sick from the salad, but I was trying the lesser of the two evils, at least in my opinion. I do agree about the double whammy. This forum is the first place that I have found that mentions anything about fiber being contraindicated for MC. My GI, at least my first one, never mentioned anything to me about changing my diet other than if I have any food allergies. The new one agreed that a GF diet may help, but of course kept bringing up the meds too. I love veggies. Do I just need to stay away from raw veggies, or are cooked veggies Ok?
My step-daughter and son-in-law are here visiting, and as I was typing the original post, my husband was telling them how I have been on this forum a lot lately and explained to them what it was about, and they are really glad that I found others to lean on and call on for advice. My step-daughter's mother has celiac sprue, and she has also been a wealth of information for me on the GF side.
Romanita
My step-daughter and son-in-law are here visiting, and as I was typing the original post, my husband was telling them how I have been on this forum a lot lately and explained to them what it was about, and they are really glad that I found others to lean on and call on for advice. My step-daughter's mother has celiac sprue, and she has also been a wealth of information for me on the GF side.
Romanita
I can do ALL THINGS through Christ who strengthens me!!!!
Dear Romanita
All best, Ant
I can have very well cooked veggies, but not legumes (i.e. beans or peas) and not nightshades (i.e. potatoes and tomatoes). That leaves lots of others as long as they are overcooked and "mushy". We are all different but I guess you might try the same, at least at this stage.are cooked veggies Ok?
All best, Ant
Hello Rome, to figure out what causes you problems and which not, in the beginning can be quite a nightmare, once in a while. I remember a day, that I was wondering (a bit desperate) what is it this time than what I ate wrong. I had been eating the same for days (what is boring plane food), until I realized I forgot to take my entocort that morning.
My experience with raw food are bad, I still have problems to digest it. Besides that it was a bit of puzzle what kind of fruits and vegetables I can stand at the moment (even overcooked and mushy).
Enterolab is the first step of the puzzle to figure what you have to avoid. But than still, it can be wise to avoid certain foods or ingredients for a while. Even when it is not processed or paleo food.
I have almost never read here, somebody having troubles with digestion most types of fish or meat. But a lot of have a problem list for fruit and vegetables. But nuts for example are also still on my no list.
Well hopefully you will get your enterolab results back soon and after that is just a bit of trail and error to find out what will work for you.
My experience with raw food are bad, I still have problems to digest it. Besides that it was a bit of puzzle what kind of fruits and vegetables I can stand at the moment (even overcooked and mushy).
Enterolab is the first step of the puzzle to figure what you have to avoid. But than still, it can be wise to avoid certain foods or ingredients for a while. Even when it is not processed or paleo food.
I have almost never read here, somebody having troubles with digestion most types of fish or meat. But a lot of have a problem list for fruit and vegetables. But nuts for example are also still on my no list.
Well hopefully you will get your enterolab results back soon and after that is just a bit of trail and error to find out what will work for you.
Hi, you'll have to carefully explore what you can and can't eat wrt fruit and veggies. You'll end up with things falling into 3 categories
can't eat raw
can eat if cooked (usually well done)
can't eat at all
I've worked out that fibrous, gassy, and sharp/tangy veggies are dreadful for me so no onions, celery, beans, peas, sprouts, lentils, peppers, chickpeas, broc, cauli ...the list goes on. But I can eat carrots, zucchini, sweet potato, regular potato, mushrooms, asparagus, squash, water chestnut, and some others, if cooked. It was trial and error to work it out, the usual eat it, see how I feel thing. It's the same story with fruit - cooked I can manage quite a few, but raw? forget it. I have been able to eat the Dole sliced fruit in jars so that's one of my travel items.
Every month or so I try one of my forbidden faves to see how I do eg one brussel sprout with Sunday dinner, check how it affected me. So far I've not had much luck but my GI said it could be a couple of years before my gut is healed so I'm looking at another year.
The interesting (annoying) thing is that it's not always the obvious ones that get you. I was on the forum some months back asking for help with a flare as I couldn't figure out what I'd eaten. The wise ones here zeroed in on strawberries which really surprised me. I ate a few more and whammo, back in the bathroom. Haven't eaten a raw one since. That innocent sign of summer, the red berry, carries quite the wallop.
can't eat raw
can eat if cooked (usually well done)
can't eat at all
I've worked out that fibrous, gassy, and sharp/tangy veggies are dreadful for me so no onions, celery, beans, peas, sprouts, lentils, peppers, chickpeas, broc, cauli ...the list goes on. But I can eat carrots, zucchini, sweet potato, regular potato, mushrooms, asparagus, squash, water chestnut, and some others, if cooked. It was trial and error to work it out, the usual eat it, see how I feel thing. It's the same story with fruit - cooked I can manage quite a few, but raw? forget it. I have been able to eat the Dole sliced fruit in jars so that's one of my travel items.
Every month or so I try one of my forbidden faves to see how I do eg one brussel sprout with Sunday dinner, check how it affected me. So far I've not had much luck but my GI said it could be a couple of years before my gut is healed so I'm looking at another year.
The interesting (annoying) thing is that it's not always the obvious ones that get you. I was on the forum some months back asking for help with a flare as I couldn't figure out what I'd eaten. The wise ones here zeroed in on strawberries which really surprised me. I ate a few more and whammo, back in the bathroom. Haven't eaten a raw one since. That innocent sign of summer, the red berry, carries quite the wallop.
Maxine
Romanita,
Most of the fiber in fruit, (and many vegetables), is in the peel, so you get rid of most of the fiber if you peel it before cooking it. Also, quantity matters, so you will find that you can eat more of some types, than of others, and you may be able to eat certain fruits or vegetables by limiting the amount you eat, on any given day. Generally speaking, the total amount of fiber is cumulative, so the more fiber a food contains, the less of it you will be able to eat, and/or you will be able to eat less of other fiber sources on that day. Usually, overcooking is the safest way to go. Raw foods are pretty much off limits until a significant amount of healing is done.
Many docs confuse the treatments for IBS and MC, and they recommend increased fiber in the diet of MC patients, but we have found that a minimum amount of fiber is better for virtually everyone with MC, until the inflammation is gone, and the gut has mostly healed.
Tex
Most of the fiber in fruit, (and many vegetables), is in the peel, so you get rid of most of the fiber if you peel it before cooking it. Also, quantity matters, so you will find that you can eat more of some types, than of others, and you may be able to eat certain fruits or vegetables by limiting the amount you eat, on any given day. Generally speaking, the total amount of fiber is cumulative, so the more fiber a food contains, the less of it you will be able to eat, and/or you will be able to eat less of other fiber sources on that day. Usually, overcooking is the safest way to go. Raw foods are pretty much off limits until a significant amount of healing is done.
Many docs confuse the treatments for IBS and MC, and they recommend increased fiber in the diet of MC patients, but we have found that a minimum amount of fiber is better for virtually everyone with MC, until the inflammation is gone, and the gut has mostly healed.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I have recently discovered that I am intolerant to chicken and don't do well with beef. That is why the chicken-rice elimination diet was ruinous for me, in addition to my homemade chicken broth. I am still trying to recover from it. I also had a very bad reaction to orange roughy (fish).Harma wrote:I have almost never read here, somebody having troubles with digestion most types of fish or meat.
Gloria
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Gloria
great to see your smiling face and although it has been a rough ride, fantastic news that you have confirmed the foods that were giving you hell!
Romanita
I am with Ant - i am overcooked veges and meat girl.
not being able to have salads has pretty well killed opportunities of socialising. there are not many places that serve meat and veges without any additives.
having everything cooked as been tiresome, it has been a hot summer here in Brisbane and quite often the last thing i feel like is eating a hot meal. Some days i do seriously slave over a hot stove, as i make stock, stew meat, boil rice etc so that i have my meals for the week.
Having warm gooey rice and salmon is the dinner i have on hot nights (the salmon is flavoured with the terriyaki sauce from dead set legend
dees cookbook)
I am glad that DH and the family are supportive. I am still having the slight issue with TK and his belief that there has to be a pill that can solve the issues i am having. He said i should find a new doctor. I got a bit cranky.
great to see your smiling face and although it has been a rough ride, fantastic news that you have confirmed the foods that were giving you hell!
Romanita
I am with Ant - i am overcooked veges and meat girl.
not being able to have salads has pretty well killed opportunities of socialising. there are not many places that serve meat and veges without any additives.
having everything cooked as been tiresome, it has been a hot summer here in Brisbane and quite often the last thing i feel like is eating a hot meal. Some days i do seriously slave over a hot stove, as i make stock, stew meat, boil rice etc so that i have my meals for the week.
Having warm gooey rice and salmon is the dinner i have on hot nights (the salmon is flavoured with the terriyaki sauce from dead set legend
dees cookbook)I am glad that DH and the family are supportive. I am still having the slight issue with TK and his belief that there has to be a pill that can solve the issues i am having. He said i should find a new doctor. I got a bit cranky.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama