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Hello all;
I am on search for what is causing me to react all the time, ie fine tuning my diet(could be more than one thing of course.) I have been gluten, soy, dairy, and corn free, as far as I know, for the last five weeks and am still about the same ( D every morning, pretty good the rest of the day. ) I have never been able to replicate my weekend of "normans" of about month and a half ago and I am wracking my brains for what I did right at that time and am not doing now.
Can anyone tell me what kind of vinegar I can use? I had thought white was Ok, but then read on the celiac site that it is sometimes made with wheat. How can I tell if it is?
Linda
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Linda in BC
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vinegar?
"Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible."
The 13th Dali Lama
The 13th Dali Lama
All vinegar should be fine except for malt vinegar.
Look at ingredients in lipstick, vitamins, toothpaste, medications etc to try to determine if you are getting hidden gluten or soy. Also pay close attention to ingredients in gluten free products. I react very badly to tapioca, which is in many GF products.
Mary Beth
Look at ingredients in lipstick, vitamins, toothpaste, medications etc to try to determine if you are getting hidden gluten or soy. Also pay close attention to ingredients in gluten free products. I react very badly to tapioca, which is in many GF products.
Mary Beth
Dear Linda,
Watch out for Balsamic Vinegar. See Polly's post at the bottom of this link.
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... sc&start=0
As part of 'fine tuning', if you have not already done so, you may also want to check to see if removing nightshades, especially tomatoes, helps.
all best, Ant
Watch out for Balsamic Vinegar. See Polly's post at the bottom of this link.
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... sc&start=0
As part of 'fine tuning', if you have not already done so, you may also want to check to see if removing nightshades, especially tomatoes, helps.
all best, Ant
I know in some old gluten free literature they used to say that vinegar was not allowed on a GF diet, but reputable sources no longer say that. If the vinegar originates from a gluten grain the gluten is distilled out. Malt vinegar is not a distilled so it is unsafe. As for balsamic, it originates from grapes and you will only have a problem if there is an unsafe additive. I have never seen one with carmel color added to it, but I guess it is possible. I eat vinegar without problem.
Mary Beth
Mary Beth
Linda,
I apologize, but unlike your doctor, we don't have your "records" lying in front of us, so I can't remember if you are taking Entocort, or not, but if you are not, then your gut probably just needs more time to heal. (I'm thinking that you're not taking Entocort.) Of course, it's certainly not impossible that you might be reacting to some food ingredient, so you are wise to search for that possibility.
As I recall, you cut out casein somewhere about the time that you had those "good days", didn't you? If you had been reacting to casein for years, and it was suddenly removed from your diet, then your casein antibody level would subside relatively quickly, (in sharp contrast with the slow decay rate of gluten antibody production, under similar circumstances). It's possible that the rapid disappearance of antibodies could bring quick remission, because of the chemical signals that it would send, but since casein can cause residual intestinal damage, (even to the small intestine), on the same level as gluten, that remission may have been short-lived because of the long-term intestinal damage that needed to heal. Obviously, that scenario is just a WAG, but the point is, something of that sort might have happened, so that you just need some more healing time.
I agree with Mary Beth, that any but malt vinegars, (or possibly some obscure blended vinegars), should be safe, since all gluten is removed, during the distillation process. I'm not sure about Canada, but in the U. S., (as Mary Beth correctly pointed out), caramel color is made from corn, so if you are truly intolerant of corn, then anything with caramel color could be a problem. In the old days, (before the celiac sites learned that vinegar made from distilled grain was safe, after all), they recommended apple cider vinegar.
If I had to make a bet, though, I would bet that you will find something that you are ingesting daily, that is causing the problem.
Tex
I apologize, but unlike your doctor, we don't have your "records" lying in front of us, so I can't remember if you are taking Entocort, or not, but if you are not, then your gut probably just needs more time to heal. (I'm thinking that you're not taking Entocort.) Of course, it's certainly not impossible that you might be reacting to some food ingredient, so you are wise to search for that possibility.
As I recall, you cut out casein somewhere about the time that you had those "good days", didn't you? If you had been reacting to casein for years, and it was suddenly removed from your diet, then your casein antibody level would subside relatively quickly, (in sharp contrast with the slow decay rate of gluten antibody production, under similar circumstances). It's possible that the rapid disappearance of antibodies could bring quick remission, because of the chemical signals that it would send, but since casein can cause residual intestinal damage, (even to the small intestine), on the same level as gluten, that remission may have been short-lived because of the long-term intestinal damage that needed to heal. Obviously, that scenario is just a WAG, but the point is, something of that sort might have happened, so that you just need some more healing time.
I agree with Mary Beth, that any but malt vinegars, (or possibly some obscure blended vinegars), should be safe, since all gluten is removed, during the distillation process. I'm not sure about Canada, but in the U. S., (as Mary Beth correctly pointed out), caramel color is made from corn, so if you are truly intolerant of corn, then anything with caramel color could be a problem. In the old days, (before the celiac sites learned that vinegar made from distilled grain was safe, after all), they recommended apple cider vinegar.
If I had to make a bet, though, I would bet that you will find something that you are ingesting daily, that is causing the problem.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Tex
WAG was a term we used a bit when we were preparing the bid (which is quite funny considering it is a highly technical submission)
we then set up SWAG - scientific wild a&& guess based on if he had happened before then it was likely to happen again!
WAG was a term we used a bit when we were preparing the bid (which is quite funny considering it is a highly technical submission)
we then set up SWAG - scientific wild a&& guess based on if he had happened before then it was likely to happen again!
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Yeah, that term sounds out of place, when preparing a formal bid. 
I don't believe I've ever heard the term SWAG, before, (that sounds as though it could be an Aussie term), but I've often used the roughly equivalent acronym, WAEG, where the "E" stands for "Educated". LOL.
Tex
I don't believe I've ever heard the term SWAG, before, (that sounds as though it could be an Aussie term), but I've often used the roughly equivalent acronym, WAEG, where the "E" stands for "Educated". LOL.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Linda in BC
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Thanks to all for your clarifying responses about vinegar.
Tex, I am on LDN, and have been Casein free for about 7 years but the soy would fit your WAG theory re: sudden removal and sudden, but short, lived remission. I do suspect it is as you say, that my gut just needs time to heal but I want to be sure that it is not something that I am eating that is prolonging things. The only thing I can really think of that I did then and not now is that I had not started doing my own baking then. I am thinking it might be something in my gf baking like the tapioca flour (thanks Marybeth) or baking powder, or even yeast. Today I went out and bought Baking powder that is definitely "everything" free but am going to cut out all baked goods for awhile to see what happens.
Linda
Tex, I am on LDN, and have been Casein free for about 7 years but the soy would fit your WAG theory re: sudden removal and sudden, but short, lived remission. I do suspect it is as you say, that my gut just needs time to heal but I want to be sure that it is not something that I am eating that is prolonging things. The only thing I can really think of that I did then and not now is that I had not started doing my own baking then. I am thinking it might be something in my gf baking like the tapioca flour (thanks Marybeth) or baking powder, or even yeast. Today I went out and bought Baking powder that is definitely "everything" free but am going to cut out all baked goods for awhile to see what happens.
Linda
"Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible."
The 13th Dali Lama
The 13th Dali Lama
What a great discussion!
After 37 years of running a one person woodworking shop doing anything from a set of ski poles for a hummel figure to carving acanthus freeze for a fire place to 150 turned stair balusters to a twelve foot long table it is always an exercise in how to do job estimates.
I use the EGG principal. My own making. Not a chicken egg but the educated, gleaned , Gestimate .
Seems to work most of the time.
Often went crazy presenting proposals until I made up this idea .
Time and tide teaches us a sixth sense about these things .
Always makes me laugh when it works so well.
Just a simple concept.
And of course you can always change your mind.
Love
Matthew
After 37 years of running a one person woodworking shop doing anything from a set of ski poles for a hummel figure to carving acanthus freeze for a fire place to 150 turned stair balusters to a twelve foot long table it is always an exercise in how to do job estimates.
I use the EGG principal. My own making. Not a chicken egg but the educated, gleaned , Gestimate .
Seems to work most of the time.
Often went crazy presenting proposals until I made up this idea .
Time and tide teaches us a sixth sense about these things .
Always makes me laugh when it works so well.
Just a simple concept.
And of course you can always change your mind.
Love
Matthew
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Linda
if you do find that yeast might be a trigger, be careful of sulphites used in vinegar, wine etc.
I have found that quite a few of the sauces /stock/savoury products that are gluten free, have sulphites in them so i cant use them
if you do find that yeast might be a trigger, be careful of sulphites used in vinegar, wine etc.
I have found that quite a few of the sauces /stock/savoury products that are gluten free, have sulphites in them so i cant use them
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Linda, it just takes time to recover and that period of time varies with each individual. It is such a trial and error; hard to figure out all the little things that might affect one. With multiple intolerances, it just seems easier if you limit your food intake to basics to start with and then add back and see what triggers a response. It can be very discouraging when you have a good day and then a bad day follows. The vinegar may or may not affect you and I would suspect, as Tex has indicated, it is something you are digesting regularly.
I also suspected Tapioca flour, but now that I am doing better it works fine. When you are in a flare everything can irritate your gut. One more thing, I was tested for yeast intolerance and I take 2 t of L-Glutamine powder a day and feel that it is helping. My daughter who suffers from Candida (5 yrs) uses this as well. Always looking for that "magic" pill!
Wishing you well, Ginny
I also suspected Tapioca flour, but now that I am doing better it works fine. When you are in a flare everything can irritate your gut. One more thing, I was tested for yeast intolerance and I take 2 t of L-Glutamine powder a day and feel that it is helping. My daughter who suffers from Candida (5 yrs) uses this as well. Always looking for that "magic" pill!
Wishing you well, Ginny
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Ginny, about two weeks ago I started taking 1000 mg of L-glutamine a day and today when I saw a Naturopath for the first time she upped it to 4000 mg a day. I have the 500 mg capsules and she told me to take 8 a day until gone and then get the powder. If using the 1000 mg powder to take 3 round teaspoons a day mixed in water. She also said to be sure to take it on an empty stomach so it goes directly to the gut. I also read that somewhere.
I am also supposed to eliminate eggs, she said something about the yolk. I have been eating at least one hard boiled egg a day. It can't be gluten because I'm pretty sure there is no gluten in my diet. There has to be something else and I can't figure out what it is. She said no Splenda as it converts to a chlorine derivative. Didn't know that. I thought Splenda was a smart choice for my afternoon cold coffee. She also wants me to eliminate coffee for a couple of weeks. I did that early in my treatment and I managed without. I will have to get used to herbal tea again. She mentioned that magnesium in the calcium can cause D if taking too much.
She also wants me to take the Florastor. Before i read this thread, I started a new one with a question regarding Saccharomyces. I hate to take new things without researching it first. I have not been able to get the D under control which began mid May, several weeks before taking our month long trip.
It's not only the D that's bothering me but I also feel so rotten. I have this huge bloated stomach and the GI tells me it's weak muscles. My gut feels like someone pumped it up with air. And no, I don't have gas. Had a CAT of the abdomen two months ago and everything looked normal except for two small cysts on my liver.
I have an appointment tomorrow with the GI dr, I put it off long enough. I think I need to be tested again for C-diff. There has to be something more going on. The plain diet I am on is just not doing it. I have an idea he may want to switch me from 9 Balsalazide to Entocort and I really don't want to. I'm hoping some natural products will help me.
I am also supposed to eliminate eggs, she said something about the yolk. I have been eating at least one hard boiled egg a day. It can't be gluten because I'm pretty sure there is no gluten in my diet. There has to be something else and I can't figure out what it is. She said no Splenda as it converts to a chlorine derivative. Didn't know that. I thought Splenda was a smart choice for my afternoon cold coffee. She also wants me to eliminate coffee for a couple of weeks. I did that early in my treatment and I managed without. I will have to get used to herbal tea again. She mentioned that magnesium in the calcium can cause D if taking too much.
She also wants me to take the Florastor. Before i read this thread, I started a new one with a question regarding Saccharomyces. I hate to take new things without researching it first. I have not been able to get the D under control which began mid May, several weeks before taking our month long trip.
It's not only the D that's bothering me but I also feel so rotten. I have this huge bloated stomach and the GI tells me it's weak muscles. My gut feels like someone pumped it up with air. And no, I don't have gas. Had a CAT of the abdomen two months ago and everything looked normal except for two small cysts on my liver.
I have an appointment tomorrow with the GI dr, I put it off long enough. I think I need to be tested again for C-diff. There has to be something more going on. The plain diet I am on is just not doing it. I have an idea he may want to switch me from 9 Balsalazide to Entocort and I really don't want to. I'm hoping some natural products will help me.
Charlotte
The food you eat can be either the safest and most powerful form of medicine, or the slowest form of poison. Ann Wigmore
The food you eat can be either the safest and most powerful form of medicine, or the slowest form of poison. Ann Wigmore