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Tex very interesting articles. I am going to print these out and bring them to my next GI appt. Although I am wondering "which came first, the chicken or the egg" Meaning was it the low vitamin D that led to the MC & Crohns or the other way around.
Thanks Tex
--Joe
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Joe,
I revised that list, to zero in on the results - check out this revised list of links:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17962355
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16265284
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19797809
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14500760
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16563470
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17996686
IMO, low vitamin D obviously came first. If the disease came first, then virtually everyone with the disease would have very low vitamin D levels - that's obviously not the case, though.
Tex
I revised that list, to zero in on the results - check out this revised list of links:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17962355
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16265284
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19797809
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14500760
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16563470
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17996686
IMO, low vitamin D obviously came first. If the disease came first, then virtually everyone with the disease would have very low vitamin D levels - that's obviously not the case, though.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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You know Tex during my appt with my GI doc in May, I asked about my previous low vitamin D level and if it can affect IBD's He said that the evidence was inconclusive. Apparently he needs to keep up with research.
Thanks Tex, I believe my GI is about to have some research materials presented to him by one of his patients.
--Joe
Thanks Tex, I believe my GI is about to have some research materials presented to him by one of his patients.
--Joe
Joe
Joe,
The problem is, your GI doc is technically correct - there is no conclusive proof, by scientific standards. That proof will never be found, because to obtain it, a cohort of subjects would have to agree to allow their vitamin D levels to be suppressed to near zero, and then maintained there for years, while researchers monitored their relevant parameters, to determine the rate at which they developed an IBD. And, of course, it would have to be a double blind test, so that part of the group would be maintained at a normal 25(OH)D level, and no one could have knowledge of which group they were in. Then after a certain number of years, the groups would have to be interchanged, (again, without anyone knowing which group they were in, including the researchers), and the monitoring would have to be continued for additional years, to see what developed. Obviously that is an impossible trial to undertake, so it will never be done. Therefore, the epidemiological evidence that we now have, may be the best that we can hope for.
It's not rocket science. Why do the "disbelievers" of the vital role that vitamin D plays in our immune system health, try to pretend that it is?
Tex
The problem is, your GI doc is technically correct - there is no conclusive proof, by scientific standards. That proof will never be found, because to obtain it, a cohort of subjects would have to agree to allow their vitamin D levels to be suppressed to near zero, and then maintained there for years, while researchers monitored their relevant parameters, to determine the rate at which they developed an IBD. And, of course, it would have to be a double blind test, so that part of the group would be maintained at a normal 25(OH)D level, and no one could have knowledge of which group they were in. Then after a certain number of years, the groups would have to be interchanged, (again, without anyone knowing which group they were in, including the researchers), and the monitoring would have to be continued for additional years, to see what developed. Obviously that is an impossible trial to undertake, so it will never be done. Therefore, the epidemiological evidence that we now have, may be the best that we can hope for.
It's not rocket science. Why do the "disbelievers" of the vital role that vitamin D plays in our immune system health, try to pretend that it is?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Harma,
I just finished reading "The Vitamin D Cure" by James E. Dowd, M.D. The book details how to assess your risk for D deficiency, but his website also has a basic assessment tool:
http://www.thevitamindcure.com/assessment/
The book was a very informative read; interestingly, the other critical part of his Vitamin D Cure is basically a paleo diet (he calls it "low-acid") of mostly lean meat and fresh produce. He also says to be careful with supplements that contain Vitamins D and A; while D is hard to overdose on, too much Vitamin A can lead to toxicity.
Best,
Gowest
I just finished reading "The Vitamin D Cure" by James E. Dowd, M.D. The book details how to assess your risk for D deficiency, but his website also has a basic assessment tool:
http://www.thevitamindcure.com/assessment/
The book was a very informative read; interestingly, the other critical part of his Vitamin D Cure is basically a paleo diet (he calls it "low-acid") of mostly lean meat and fresh produce. He also says to be careful with supplements that contain Vitamins D and A; while D is hard to overdose on, too much Vitamin A can lead to toxicity.
Best,
Gowest
Gowest, thanks. If it is not to expensive I will buy the book and read it. I looked on the website you mentioned but than again I end up with the inches, feets and lbs. First I have to recalculate my height and weight before I can enter that website.
And why does it (again) not surprise me that the paleo diet, is one of the solution towards the vitamin D cure. I wouldn't be surprised if low vitamin D levels is also caused by the modern food habits (to much sugars and carbon hydrates, soy, gluten, wrong fat's to less fruit and vegetables, to much dairy etc, etc, etc.)
I am aware of the possibility of an overdosing vit A, but thank you for mentioning it.
And why does it (again) not surprise me that the paleo diet, is one of the solution towards the vitamin D cure. I wouldn't be surprised if low vitamin D levels is also caused by the modern food habits (to much sugars and carbon hydrates, soy, gluten, wrong fat's to less fruit and vegetables, to much dairy etc, etc, etc.)
I am aware of the possibility of an overdosing vit A, but thank you for mentioning it.
Harma, if Amazon ships to the Netherlands, it's available there for US$ 10.17.
http://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-D-Cure-Ja ... 421&sr=8-1
I agree, a paleo diet seems to be the cure for everything the more I read and research!!
http://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-D-Cure-Ja ... 421&sr=8-1
I agree, a paleo diet seems to be the cure for everything the more I read and research!!
Joe,
Good luck with that visit. I hope he doesn't get upset over the articles, and throw you out on your ear.
You're most welcome, of course.
Tex
Good luck with that visit. I hope he doesn't get upset over the articles, and throw you out on your ear.
You're most welcome, of course.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.