Report of my visit with Dr. Fasano

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Report of my visit with Dr. Fasano

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So I made the trek up to Baltimore yesterday, and, well, it felt like a regular doctor’s appointment.

I was there 2 hours and had my detailed medical history taken by a fellow. She briefed the doctor about it and he came in and gave me a synopsis to make sure he understood. Then he asked why I was there, since I already know I’m gluten intolerant. What did I want? I said I wanted to know if I have full-blown celiac sprue, because that would require being more careful about cross-contamination. It would also give me reason to test my kids and other family members. He agreed that was important but said having been on the GF diet for 3 months would mean the results would probably be negative. He said I would need a 3-4 week gluten challenge, and based on my symptoms, that might be too difficult to do.

Despite my having Enterolab’s gene testing results, he insisted we needed blood gene testing to see if celiac is even a possibility. He and his fellow both said they could not accept those results because they "can’t understand how they could test for genes in stool." I had to remind them 3 times that it was a cheek swab test conducted by the Red Cross. Still they want real proof, so they are checking to see if my insurance will cover the celiac panel and gene test. If they don’t, they will enroll me in one of their studies and I’ll get the tests for free. I suppose I’ll try to eat gluten for as many days as I can stand before I get the blood drawn. But he was unwilling to speculate based on the results from Enterolab. Frustrating. :sigh:

Regarding the autoantibodies, he said he knows many people with circulating antibodies, some high titer, who never develop a disease. He said it’s a reaction to my leaky gut allowing too many foreign antigens in. When my gut heals, the levels should go down.

I asked how often he sees microscopic colitis in his celiac patients. I think he said about 20%, although statistics say 30%. He seemed to imply it was an incidental finding, but then admitted “we used to think celiac disease was limited to the small intestine and the bowel was spared. Now we know otherwise”.

I only had about 10 minutes with him, so I had to skip to my most important questions, and it wasn’t all that informative. Mostly stuff I already knew. He was clearly miffed by my GIs refusal to test me for celiac.

I asked about the drug he is developing to supress Zonulin and whether it will be meant only for celiacs, or also for people with MC and related conditions related to leaky gut. He said it would be available for a wide number of conditions. I asked if it is intended to allow celiacs to eat gluten with abandon, and he said his preference is that it serve to minimize damage from cross-contamination, but the clinical trials are going ahead with subjects eating a substantial amount of gluten.

Regarding my kids, he said there is no need to test them if they are asymptomatic until puberty (when symtoms tend to subside). When I asked if my daughter's addiction to gluten-containing foods could be a sign of intolerance, he said it's a sign that she is a normal 3-yr old. Phew!

That's about it. No nutritionist consultation. No earth shattering news. I guess I get the bloodwork and go from there.
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Hmmmmm. I guess he's a "by the book" GI doc. :sigh:

Thanks for "picking his mind". We can use all the insight we can get.
Zizzle wrote:Despite my having Enterolab’s gene testing results, he insisted we needed blood gene testing to see if celiac is even a possibility. He and his fellow both said they could not accept those results because they "can’t understand how they could test for genes in stool." I had to remind them 3 times that it was a cheek swab test conducted by the Red Cross.
That's a bummer. It suggests that he has a premeditated aversion to Enterolab's methods. (His reaction reminds me of a bull charging a red cape - he wasn't even thinking about what he was saying, once he heard the name "Enterolab"). :roll:

He's a top gun in the celiac game, though, so we have to respect what he says - right or wrong, his opinion is important.

Thanks for the informative report,
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Zizzle,

You did a great job of asking the right questions! I think I would have been a little intimidated seeing a renowned doctor, but you charged ahead. Good work!!

I was disappointed to read about his response, too. This is the guy that is creating the "magic" pill. It is encouraging that he feels that the pill will be be available for a wide number of conditions.

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His fellow seemed to roll her eyes when I reminded her that my Enterolab results were on top of the stack of test results I had provided her. She wouldn't even read them. I asked her if there was some grudge match between Dr. Fasano and Dr. Fine. She said Dr. Who? When Dr. Fasano came in, he assured me he didn't have anything against Enterolab and didn't know who Dr. Fine was.

I find that strange. With so many people using Enterolab, how can they claim ignorance? Shouldn't they be examining some of the MAJOR "snake oil" peddlers in their field just to stay current and informed?

I agree,he seems like a "by the book" doctor. No willingness to think outside the box. Oh well. Guess that's due to the MD after his name! But he was very kind and concerned overall.
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Lots of people can be concerned - but that doesnt help us attain remission, good health and wellbeing

you put alot of energy and effort into attending the appointment, sorry there wasnt a more positive outcome for you.
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Dear Zizzle,

If he was the bull charging the "Dr Fine" red cap, that makes you the MATADOR.....the brave hero/heroine!!

I think you did a great job.

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Zizzle,

Don't tell anyone, but I think you may have caught the good doctor in a little white lie. :sigh:

There's no way that he couldn't be aware of Dr. Fine and his research, and Enterolab. Considering his specialty, he's bound to have seen other patients who have had tests done at Enterolab. :roll: The celiac boards are full of them. And he's bound to have reviewed Dr. Fine' s research concerning early detection of celiac disease.

As Mr. Rogers would say, "Can you say 'professional snobbery'?" :lol:

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Zizzle,

I'll be interested to see if the cheek swab and blood test match up. Not really sure of his rationale there - even the well-respected Promethius uses cheek swab.

I'm also glad he used the tern"leaky gut" - so many doctors still shut down when that term is used. I also appreciate his acknowledgment about being wrong about bowel involvement. I am also glad to hear that Zonulin will be a broad use drug . . . It will make eating out sooooo much easier.

I'm surprisd by his response to not test a child who is asymptomatic - this is done routinely in Italy because of the high incidence of CD, and based on your symptoms it seems like a good idea. Also, much easier to get a 3 year old eating gluten free than a teenager. Not sure where he is coming from here.

What study does he want to enroll you in?

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Zizzle, thanks for posting such a detailed report. I'm new and found it very informative.

Tex, I think you hit the nail on the head. Sounds like he fibbed to me, too.
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His fellow didn't explain the study in detail, but it sounded like a study where they test a large symptomatic group of patients to determine what proportion actually have celiac disease. She did not mention what, if any, follow-up it would require on my part.

The office manager thought my insurance would cover testing, so I am awaiting her call to determine which lab to go to.

Call me crazy, but if I ran one of the premier celiac centers in the country, I would want to have at least a regular staff member monitoring the celiac content and forums on the internet. How can you truly be effective without knowing what your patient population is discussing out in the world? Or do you stay content simply diagnosing and sending people on their way?

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Here is some additional information on celiac disease gene testing, by another well-respected celiac doctor, (but Dr. Fasano has probably never heard of him, either, since he supports Dr. Fine's research. :lol:):

http://www.celiac.com/articles/21567/1/ ... Page1.html

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