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Well, as you may have guessed from the subject line, I am the proud owner of a beautiful home made doorstop:). The day started very promising - it just naturally happened that this Thanksgiving I didn't have to be around people celebrating with a wonderful Thanksgiving meal, with all those goodies I've loved to both make and eat over the years. So, I woke up grateful for this happy coincidence, and full of plans for my bread making adventure. Yesterday, I bought all kinds of baking ingredients for making a GF/DF/EF/YF bread, i.e. GF baking powder, guar gum, egg replacer, GF flour mix, applesauce, etc. I thought I'd try Gabes' recipe as my first adventure, since it seemed like the simplest one to manage.
Well, then I noticed a wonderful banana bread recipe on the GF flour pack (Red Mill), for which I had all the ingredients available. I love banana bread, and thought I'd kill 2 birds with one stone by getting a bread that could also serve as a sweet treat. Happily I set about bread making (I should mention that my SO went to a service with his sister, which left me alone to focus on my adventure). I was very organized about the whole thing, laying out and measuring the ingredients, mashing bananas, etc. I followed the recipe step by step. However, somewhere along this project, I started feeling nauseous, and the nausea kept growing as I was getting closer to putting my master piece in the oven. I should also mention that I was reacting to a strange odor coming from the dough, which I was unable to pinpoint. By the time the bread was in the oven and the timer was set for an hour, I was close to having to vomit. I opened doors and windows for fresh air, and headed for the shower to sooth and calm me.
Now, I'm finally feeling less queazy, and the banana bread (or should I say banana brick) is sitting proudly on the cooling rack calling to me. It is even starting to smell good, but I'm deathly afraid of tasting it - LOL. I think I'll stick with my very plain diet for now, and hope that my SO, who has a stomach of steel, will like it:):):).
Hope all of you in this wonderful PP family are having a stress free, flare free Thanksgiving day!!!!
Love,
Kari
P.S. I noticed that the egg replacer (from ENER G) I used has potato starch in it - so since I've discovered that I cannot tolerate nightshades, that's a tall, red flag.
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"My mouth waters whenever I pass a bakery shop and sniff the aroma of fresh bread, but I am also grateful simply to be alive and sniffing." Dr. Bernstein
Hmmmmmmmmm. I don't know what to think of that. You're probably right, it might be a good idea to call in an assistant taster to try it first. As far as the "brick" part is concerned, banana bread is naturally going to be heavier and denser than regular sandwich bread. For one thing, the bananas tend to add moisture, some of which will tend to remain after baking, to add to the weight, but even without the bananas, it would be rather dense, more like cake, than bread.
When I was recovering, I kept trying to eat banana bread. I loved it. I could usually eat something like half a slice, and get away with it, but the problem is, I always had trouble stopping at half a slice, so it usually made me sick.
It's possible that the problem may have been fiber, but I never was sure - I finally gave up and wrote it off as a good idea that simply didn't work for me. I had sort of the same issue with bananas - a half a banana, (or a small one), was fine, but if I overdid it, I got into trouble. 
Sorry that it didn't go smoothly. I had the same problem one time when I was on a wild game kick. I had heard that parboiling the meat first, would tenderize wild game, so I tried it. There was something about the odor coming off that boiling pot, that made me extremely nauseous. I ended up chucking it in the dumpster. It wasn't just me, either. I was in college at the time, and my roommate became just as nauseous as I did. The lesson stuck, too - I've never tried boiling any type of meat, since then.
Love,
Tex
When I was recovering, I kept trying to eat banana bread. I loved it. I could usually eat something like half a slice, and get away with it, but the problem is, I always had trouble stopping at half a slice, so it usually made me sick.
It's possible that the problem may have been fiber, but I never was sure - I finally gave up and wrote it off as a good idea that simply didn't work for me. I had sort of the same issue with bananas - a half a banana, (or a small one), was fine, but if I overdid it, I got into trouble. Sorry that it didn't go smoothly. I had the same problem one time when I was on a wild game kick. I had heard that parboiling the meat first, would tenderize wild game, so I tried it. There was something about the odor coming off that boiling pot, that made me extremely nauseous. I ended up chucking it in the dumpster.
It wasn't just me, either. I was in college at the time, and my roommate became just as nauseous as I did. The lesson stuck, too - I've never tried boiling any type of meat, since then. Love,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Kari,
I'm sorry your venture with making banana bread didn't work. I don't have any idea why it would smell, either. You might try making muffins instead. The dough amount is smaller and they seem to rise better. I've had to fill my muffin cups almost to the top to make them rise high enough, however. Also, I don't use any egg replacer, just baking powder, and they raise just fine. You can add as much or as little sugar as you want. I've even made some accidentally w/o any sugar. They raise fine. I just dip them in a small amount of sugar to compensate.
As far as the potato starch...I asked Tex a while back if potato starch and corn starch had any protein. According to the packaging nutrient list, they don't. I then reasoned that we react to the protein in foods, so if there isn't any protein, the starches might be OK. I've occasionally used small amounts of potato starch in my baking and haven't noticed a problem. I have also been worried about overusing cornstarch because it's an ingredient in baking and pudding. If it doesn't have protein, I may be worrying needlessly.
I'm sure Tex will respond and give his take. I seem to recall that he said there is always the chance for some actual potato flour to get in the mix. There are other foods which claim that the protein is removed, making the problem safe. Soy vegetable oil is one that comes to mind. But some of us still react to soybean oil. I don't know if potato starch and cornstarch are in the same category.
If you want a suitable substitute for cornstarch or potato starch, try using arrowroot. I buy it in 20 oz. bags from a local health food store ($7.39) and found it in a bag at Whole Foods ($5.99). It can also be ordered online. To use it as an egg replacer, mix 1 1/2 tsp. with 2 Tbsp. water. Then heat the mixture for 15 seconds on high in the microwave. Stir it until it has the consistency of egg whites, or a little thicker. It has the same consistency as Ener-g egg replacer when it is heated.
I'm sorry your venture with making banana bread didn't work. I don't have any idea why it would smell, either. You might try making muffins instead. The dough amount is smaller and they seem to rise better. I've had to fill my muffin cups almost to the top to make them rise high enough, however. Also, I don't use any egg replacer, just baking powder, and they raise just fine. You can add as much or as little sugar as you want. I've even made some accidentally w/o any sugar. They raise fine. I just dip them in a small amount of sugar to compensate.
As far as the potato starch...I asked Tex a while back if potato starch and corn starch had any protein. According to the packaging nutrient list, they don't. I then reasoned that we react to the protein in foods, so if there isn't any protein, the starches might be OK. I've occasionally used small amounts of potato starch in my baking and haven't noticed a problem. I have also been worried about overusing cornstarch because it's an ingredient in baking and pudding. If it doesn't have protein, I may be worrying needlessly.
I'm sure Tex will respond and give his take. I seem to recall that he said there is always the chance for some actual potato flour to get in the mix. There are other foods which claim that the protein is removed, making the problem safe. Soy vegetable oil is one that comes to mind. But some of us still react to soybean oil. I don't know if potato starch and cornstarch are in the same category.
If you want a suitable substitute for cornstarch or potato starch, try using arrowroot. I buy it in 20 oz. bags from a local health food store ($7.39) and found it in a bag at Whole Foods ($5.99). It can also be ordered online. To use it as an egg replacer, mix 1 1/2 tsp. with 2 Tbsp. water. Then heat the mixture for 15 seconds on high in the microwave. Stir it until it has the consistency of egg whites, or a little thicker. It has the same consistency as Ener-g egg replacer when it is heated.
You never know what you can do until you have to do it.
The process used to make "starch" basically involves crushing the feedstock and washing the starch out of it with water, then separating the starch with a centrifuge or similar process. Of course making corn starch is more complicated than that, since it must be steeped in hot water and slightly fermented first, and then the germ must be separated from the endosperm, so that they can be ground, (pulverized), separately, before the washing process begins.
Obviously, this is an imperfect separation process, so that food starch is usually considered to contain a minimal amount of protein or fat, but I certainly wouldn't consider it to be protein free, at least not for someone who might be sensitive to tiny amounts of that protein.
Tex
Obviously, this is an imperfect separation process, so that food starch is usually considered to contain a minimal amount of protein or fat, but I certainly wouldn't consider it to be protein free, at least not for someone who might be sensitive to tiny amounts of that protein.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
After looking over this thread again I remembered when Bill was on a kick of eating bran muffins (attempt to lower colesterol) and he made his own. What I remember was how bad they smelled to me when cooking. I don't know why either. It didn't make me nauseous but it sure was unpleasant. So bad I wouldn't even try one. Didn't seem to bother Bill at all.
Don't know why I mentioned that........
Love, Shirley
Don't know why I mentioned that........
Love, Shirley
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber"
-- Winston Churchill
-- Winston Churchill
The continuing story .............
The good news is that my SO LOVED the banana bread - said it's the best he has ever had - ate 3 large slices when it was still warm.
The bad news is, against my better judgement, I ate half a small slice "just to taste it:):):)" - DELICIOUS - now I wish I had eaten the whole darn thing!!! Don't think there is such a thing as a proportionate reaction with MC, because the D started right before bedtime. Took 3 peptos and am feeling a little better this morning.
The moral of the story is that I have to allow for more healing before experimenting with what I eat. The fact that I baked my own bread doesn't mean that the ingredients were "unprocessed", which I thought of too late into the project.
The other good news is that I am not about to give up on baking!!!!!!!!!!! I'm angry and want revenge on the MC monster!!!!!!!
Gloria - thank you so much for all your helpful tips and information - you're a true inspiration to me. Don't know when I'll work up the courage to try a baking adventure again, but I most definitely will. If other MC'ers can do it, so can I!!! I think if I had stuck with Gabes' simple recipe, it would have turned out differently. Also, grinding my own flower seems to make a lot of sense, as I'll have so much more control over the purity of the product.
Tex - as always, thanks for your kind support.
Love,
Kari
P.S. In case anyone wants to try this recipe (minus the egg replacer:), it is posted on Bob's Red Mill GF all purpose flower bag. I'll be happy to post it in Dee's kitchen if anyone is interested.
P.S.S. Tex - I don't think I have a problem with bananas as they have become quite a mainstay in my limited diet.
The good news is that my SO LOVED the banana bread - said it's the best he has ever had - ate 3 large slices when it was still warm.
The bad news is, against my better judgement, I ate half a small slice "just to taste it:):):)" - DELICIOUS - now I wish I had eaten the whole darn thing!!! Don't think there is such a thing as a proportionate reaction with MC, because the D started right before bedtime. Took 3 peptos and am feeling a little better this morning.
The moral of the story is that I have to allow for more healing before experimenting with what I eat. The fact that I baked my own bread doesn't mean that the ingredients were "unprocessed", which I thought of too late into the project.
The other good news is that I am not about to give up on baking!!!!!!!!!!! I'm angry and want revenge on the MC monster!!!!!!!
Gloria - thank you so much for all your helpful tips and information - you're a true inspiration to me. Don't know when I'll work up the courage to try a baking adventure again, but I most definitely will. If other MC'ers can do it, so can I!!! I think if I had stuck with Gabes' simple recipe, it would have turned out differently. Also, grinding my own flower seems to make a lot of sense, as I'll have so much more control over the purity of the product.
Tex - as always, thanks for your kind support.
Love,
Kari
P.S. In case anyone wants to try this recipe (minus the egg replacer:), it is posted on Bob's Red Mill GF all purpose flower bag. I'll be happy to post it in Dee's kitchen if anyone is interested.
P.S.S. Tex - I don't think I have a problem with bananas as they have become quite a mainstay in my limited diet.
"My mouth waters whenever I pass a bakery shop and sniff the aroma of fresh bread, but I am also grateful simply to be alive and sniffing." Dr. Bernstein
Shirley - just saw your note - it's always so nice to hear from you - I find that my "nose" is usually right on target with what I can/cannot eat. Such a mystery .....
How are things in Pennsylvania - any more bear visits???
Love,
Kari
How are things in Pennsylvania - any more bear visits???
Love,
Kari
"My mouth waters whenever I pass a bakery shop and sniff the aroma of fresh bread, but I am also grateful simply to be alive and sniffing." Dr. Bernstein
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Kari
thanks for the smile with the story and soo sorry it was a yucky experience,
I too have had some failed attempts along the way...... it took me a while to adjust to cooking style required for life with MC
It is always more tiring cleaning up after a failed cooking attempt
thanks for the smile with the story and soo sorry it was a yucky experience,
I too have had some failed attempts along the way...... it took me a while to adjust to cooking style required for life with MC
It is always more tiring cleaning up after a failed cooking attempt
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Well, I'll be darned - I think I might have solved the mystery of my reaction yesterday. My good friend was ranting and raving about this incredible body lotion that I simply HAD TO try - well, I've never used body lotion because it has always felt as if I have an extra layer of skin on top of my own skin - sort of claustrophobic. She said that this lotion simply disappeared into the skin, and it would feel totally natural. I used it for the first time on my arms yesterday morning. Then, after baking and a shower, I used it on my whole body.
In the evening, I noticed that the smell of it on my body was rather offensive and I really didn't like the feel of it either, I also had started having D by then. I went for a second shower to get rid of it, and just now a lightbulb went off in my head: Could it be that the body lotion made me nauseous and sick yesterday rather than the bread making??????? Just checked the ingredients - OMG - the list goes on and on:
Petrolatum
Glycerin
Stearic Acid
Isopropyl Palmitate
Glycol Stearate
Dimethicone
Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Butter
Butyrospermum
Parkii (Shea Butter)
Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil
Glycine Soja (Soybean) Oil
Glycine Soja (Soybean)
Sterol
Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E Acetate)
Retinyl Palmitate (Vitamin A Palmitate)
Sodium Steroyl-2-Lactylate
Collagen AminoAcids
Urea
Glyceryl Stearate
Cetyl Alcohol
Magnesium Aluminum Silicate
Carbomer
Lecithin
Mineral Water
Sodium PCA
Potassium Lactate
Lactic Acid
Fragrance
Stearamide Amp
Triethanolamine
Methylparaben
DMDM Hydantoin
Disodium EDTA
Caramel
Titanium Dioxide
Think that does it for the list - have no idea how to interpret any of it - those ingredients should certainly be enough UFO's to generate an internal explosion ??????? I would greatly appreciate anyone's take on this - particularly you Tex, since you seem to be a scientist??? Thanks so much in advance.
Love,
Kari
P.S. I'm hoping to get confirmation of my theory so I can try another piece of the banana bread in a couple of days :).
In the evening, I noticed that the smell of it on my body was rather offensive and I really didn't like the feel of it either, I also had started having D by then. I went for a second shower to get rid of it, and just now a lightbulb went off in my head: Could it be that the body lotion made me nauseous and sick yesterday rather than the bread making??????? Just checked the ingredients - OMG - the list goes on and on:
Petrolatum
Glycerin
Stearic Acid
Isopropyl Palmitate
Glycol Stearate
Dimethicone
Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Butter
Butyrospermum
Parkii (Shea Butter)
Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil
Glycine Soja (Soybean) Oil
Glycine Soja (Soybean)
Sterol
Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E Acetate)
Retinyl Palmitate (Vitamin A Palmitate)
Sodium Steroyl-2-Lactylate
Collagen AminoAcids
Urea
Glyceryl Stearate
Cetyl Alcohol
Magnesium Aluminum Silicate
Carbomer
Lecithin
Mineral Water
Sodium PCA
Potassium Lactate
Lactic Acid
Fragrance
Stearamide Amp
Triethanolamine
Methylparaben
DMDM Hydantoin
Disodium EDTA
Caramel
Titanium Dioxide
Think that does it for the list - have no idea how to interpret any of it - those ingredients should certainly be enough UFO's to generate an internal explosion ??????? I would greatly appreciate anyone's take on this - particularly you Tex, since you seem to be a scientist??? Thanks so much in advance.
Love,
Kari
P.S. I'm hoping to get confirmation of my theory so I can try another piece of the banana bread in a couple of days :).
"My mouth waters whenever I pass a bakery shop and sniff the aroma of fresh bread, but I am also grateful simply to be alive and sniffing." Dr. Bernstein
Almost as long as a processed food list. HaHa
You may be onto something there. Be great if you can eat the bread!!!
Things are OK in PA. If the bear has been back he didn't linger. I've been bringing in the bird feeders at night. Hopefully, if he comes during the day I'll spot him in time.
Love, Shirley
You may be onto something there. Be great if you can eat the bread!!!
Things are OK in PA. If the bear has been back he didn't linger. I've been bringing in the bird feeders at night. Hopefully, if he comes during the day I'll spot him in time.
Love, Shirley
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber"
-- Winston Churchill
-- Winston Churchill
Kari,
Sorry about your reaction. I too flared on Thanksgiving, mostly due to my own self-sabotage. GF stuffing and cinnamon rolls lovingly bought by my husband, both containing milk ingredients...then after preparing all the side vegetables myself with Earth Balance instead of butter, I ate the buttered carrots. So dumb. I even baked 2 loaves of regular bread (bread mix that you mix with beer!!) for the family, but I was very careful handling the mix. Needless to say, I had 5 episodes of major D before bedtime. Never again!!
I suggest you look up your lotion on EWG's Skin Deep Cosmetics database. You can look up the individual ingredients too.
http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/
Sorry about your reaction. I too flared on Thanksgiving, mostly due to my own self-sabotage. GF stuffing and cinnamon rolls lovingly bought by my husband, both containing milk ingredients...then after preparing all the side vegetables myself with Earth Balance instead of butter, I ate the buttered carrots. So dumb. I even baked 2 loaves of regular bread (bread mix that you mix with beer!!) for the family, but I was very careful handling the mix. Needless to say, I had 5 episodes of major D before bedtime. Never again!!
I suggest you look up your lotion on EWG's Skin Deep Cosmetics database. You can look up the individual ingredients too.
http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/
Kari,
I don't know what to think of that. Evidently they couldn't agree on what to use in their product, so they decided to use everything they could think of, that has ever been used in skin lotion.
I don't see anything obvious that should be a problem. All those ingredients are used in skin care products. Generally speaking, outside of deadly systemic chemicals, such as organic phosphates, anything applied to the skin shouldn't affect GI processes. Some of us, though, are highly sensitive to certain aerosols. IOW, I'm thinking that the lotion contains a combination of chemicals that releases a gas, (possibly only under certain conditions, such as a certain skin pH, or maybe only in the presence of your own natural skin oil), and that gas certainly might trigger nausea, and/or D.
Obviously, I'm just guessing here, since these items are generally considered to be safe for use in skin products, and I would assume that they are approved for such use by the FDA. A few of the ingredients that catch my eye, for example, are:
Methylparaben, which is an anti-fungal agent often used in cosmetics and personal care products, and it's also used as a food preservative. For example, methylparaben is known to slow the growth rate of fruit flies in the Drosophila family, in both the larval and pupal stages.
DMDM hydantoin, which is an antimicrobial formaldehyde releaser preservative with the trade name Glydant. It's oftgen used in products like shampoos, hair conditioners, hair gels and skin care products. It works as a preservative, because the released formaldehyde makes the environment less favorable for microorganisms.
Disodium EDTA, or Disodium Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid, which is a polyamino carboxylic acid. It's a chelating agent, and it has the ability to "sequester" metal ions. One of it's common uses is to dissolve scale. It's mainly made from ethylenediamine (1,2-diaminoethane), formaldehyde, and sodium cyanide, (which don't sound like very "soothing" sources for skin care products. Anything capable of sequestering metal ions, certainly has the potential for generating questionable gasses, I would think, especially in the presence of a dozen or two other chemicals which may cause various other chemical reactions.
Anyway, while those are all supposedly safe ingredients, their combination, under certain conditions, might cause unanticipated results for some individuals.
Love,
Tex
I don't know what to think of that. Evidently they couldn't agree on what to use in their product, so they decided to use everything they could think of, that has ever been used in skin lotion.
I don't see anything obvious that should be a problem. All those ingredients are used in skin care products. Generally speaking, outside of deadly systemic chemicals, such as organic phosphates, anything applied to the skin shouldn't affect GI processes. Some of us, though, are highly sensitive to certain aerosols. IOW, I'm thinking that the lotion contains a combination of chemicals that releases a gas, (possibly only under certain conditions, such as a certain skin pH, or maybe only in the presence of your own natural skin oil), and that gas certainly might trigger nausea, and/or D.
Obviously, I'm just guessing here, since these items are generally considered to be safe for use in skin products, and I would assume that they are approved for such use by the FDA. A few of the ingredients that catch my eye, for example, are:
Methylparaben, which is an anti-fungal agent often used in cosmetics and personal care products, and it's also used as a food preservative. For example, methylparaben is known to slow the growth rate of fruit flies in the Drosophila family, in both the larval and pupal stages.
DMDM hydantoin, which is an antimicrobial formaldehyde releaser preservative with the trade name Glydant. It's oftgen used in products like shampoos, hair conditioners, hair gels and skin care products. It works as a preservative, because the released formaldehyde makes the environment less favorable for microorganisms.
Disodium EDTA, or Disodium Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid, which is a polyamino carboxylic acid. It's a chelating agent, and it has the ability to "sequester" metal ions. One of it's common uses is to dissolve scale. It's mainly made from ethylenediamine (1,2-diaminoethane), formaldehyde, and sodium cyanide, (which don't sound like very "soothing" sources for skin care products. Anything capable of sequestering metal ions, certainly has the potential for generating questionable gasses, I would think, especially in the presence of a dozen or two other chemicals which may cause various other chemical reactions.
Anyway, while those are all supposedly safe ingredients, their combination, under certain conditions, might cause unanticipated results for some individuals.
Love,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.