Flu Shots

Deb · Post by **Deb** » Mon May 30, 2011 3:41 pm

I know many of us here, try to avoid meds whenever possible. I thought this was an interesting article
I've had one flu shot in my life and that turned out to be the year of the great swine flu shot snafu. My daughter
is currently trying to wade through the vaccine/immunization process and no one will give her an answer as to why kids now require MANY more immunizations than she had. Her hospital wanted to give her preemie 4lb baby a hepatitis shot as they said they had a "captive audience". She refused. Okay off my rant...here's the article.

http://www.naturalnews.com/032558_flu_s ... r_off.html

The CDC and the vaccine industry are fronting a similar bit of contradictory logic. "Our vaccines work so well that they offer almost total immunity from the flu," they claim. And yet somehow they also work so poorly that they "wear off" after a year and require you to be re-vaccinated annually.

This is The Great Big Lie of the vaccine industry: The lie that says you have be re-vaccinated each and every year, often with the exact same strains you were vaccinated with the previous year. The coming winter flu vaccines for 2011, for example, are being manufactured with the same strains as the 2010 flu vaccines.

But if vaccines work so amazingly well as the CDC and the vaccine industry (fraudulently) suggests, then why do you need the same shot year after year?

Well, according to the CDC, "Vaccines wear off."

Vaccines wear off, they say
Yep, that's their cover story. The vaccines "wear off."

But hold on a minute. There's something fishy about this. Because human antibodies normally last a lifetime, remember? That's why you don't get the chicken pox over and over again; because the first time you got the chicken pox as a kid, your body created chicken pox antibodies and those antibodies last a lifetime.

Thus, your immune system offers you lifetime immunity from the chicken pox.

Post by **tex** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:08 pm

Deb,

The problem with that simplistic view in the article is that there are many strains of flu virus in circulation at any given time, and they all are in a constant state of evolution. IOW, they continually mutate into different strains to which we might have some immunity, and some to which we might not have any significant degree of immunity.

The claim by the CDC that their vaccines are so effective, is pure hogwash, of course, because the older we get, the less effectively the vaccines work, (for senior citizens, for example, in general, they are only marginally effective, and don't work at all for some people). That, coupled with the fact that they often select the wrong strains to base their vaccines on, means that for the most part, very few people personally benefit from the vaccines. As a society, (IOW, based on the total population), vaccination can slow down the spread of a strain of a virus, but on an individual basis, the vaccines only offer partial protection for one or two selected strains, which leaves us vulnerable to most of the less-common strains that might be a threat.

Also, anyone with a compromised immune system, (which seems to be most of us, these days), will not respond properly to many vaccines, and we may even have adverse reactions. IMO, they are simply an "easy dollar" for most doctors and medical institutions, with little actual benefits for their patients. As you might gather from my attitude, I've never had a flu shot, and probably never will. Every year my doctor mentions that the new flu shots are available, and then he adds, "but I realize that you never take them".

I try to keep my vitamin D levels in the upper part of the recommended range, (above 50 mg/dl) - that's much more effective than any flu shot.

Tex

Deb · Post by **Deb** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:20 pm

Thanks, Tex. I thought it was interesting that they were supposedly offering the SAME vaccine this year as last. If that's the case, what's the point?
I know my husband and I, both with vitamin D supplements (mine above 50, not sure of his) don't get sick very often, and if we do, it's only for a day or two.

sarkin · Post by **sarkin** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:31 pm

Tex,

Nice job training your doctor. A fine example you've set us there, and I intend to follow in your footsteps!

Love,
Sara

Post by **tex** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:31 pm

Deb,

You might be right, for all I know - they certainly might be offering the same vaccine as last year. I wouldn't put it past them. The thing is, once they gear up and produce a year's supply, they have to sell them, or the manufacturer stands to lose a heck of a lot of money, and doctors are afraid to allow that to happen, because it might discourage them from producing the vaccines in the future.

So as a result, they feel obligated to promote the vaccines, regardless of their personal opinion, and regardless of whether or not any specific flu threat might be serious enough to warrant a vaccination program.

It's kind of like Girl Scout Cookies - they regard the annual flu vaccination program as a good cause.

Tex

Post by **tex** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:34 pm

Sara,

Please don't assume that I know what I'm doing. It would be a heck of a note if we all got sick - lynch mob mentality might prevail.

Love,
Tex

Deb · Post by **Deb** » Mon May 30, 2011 5:11 pm

I think I'm skipping the "girl scout cookies" this year. :) Deb

sarkin · Post by **sarkin** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:06 pm

Don't worry, Tex - when I form a mob, there's a long list of suspects before I start heading your way ;)

A doctor told my paternal grandfather when he was 13 that he wouldn't live out the year. He died at 79, never having visited a doctor again in his life. (The doctor who made that threat died young, btw.)

Quite honestly, he probably should have gone to the doctor once or twice in those intervening years. I think there's a genuine usefulness to medical practitioners, truly. I like my PCP. I started liking her even more when she started remembering she wasn't about to slap me onto a statin drug, without being reminded. (She said "I'd be more concerned if your BP was high..." meaning she'd either remembered or actually looked in my chart.)

Truth is, I liked her better when I became a better patient. More informed, more responsible for my own choices - and I know if I do go for a regimen, I will be 'compliant' in following it. I know this because I *am* compliant with my diet. There's not a cupcake on this planet that would get me to ingest gluten or dairy. Funny thing is, I may not need to be quite so much of a 'patient' now that I've learned what I can/can't eat...

But I digress - I shall keep you safe from the mob. (I do think I need to up my Vitamin D; this cold really caught up with me, and I've been at 4000 IU/day for a while, plus getting sun - maybe not absorbing as I should be... oh, and needing to see my doctor to test!)

Lots of health to all (and as Deb points out, not so many Girl Scout cookies),
Sara

Post by **tex** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:59 pm

I appreciate being spared, (at least until you have time to work through your list).

I really believe in vitamin D. The last time I had anything resembling a cold, was early last fall, several months after I had stopped taking vitamin D for the summer, (and it might have been an allergy, rather than a cold, because it was pretty mild, and didn't last but a few days). This summer, I've dropped to 2500 IU/day, rather than stopping altogether.

Tex

MaggieRedwings · Post by **MaggieRedwings** » Tue May 31, 2011 5:07 am

Had one flue shot years ago and got sick as anything. Since the and with a compromised immune system I have diligently said no to my doctor and always get that look of amazement from them. They just don't understand.

Love, Maggie

sarkin · Post by **sarkin** » Tue May 31, 2011 1:42 pm

Tex,

Perhaps my Vitamin D levels have been low due to the brewing MC flareup, and remain slow to respond to supplementation (and sunlight) while I'm healing. Though my Enterolab results didn't suggest malabsorption, I could still be processing esp. fat-soluble vitamins in a sub-par way. My MC roared in with March, at the tail end of the indoor season, and I haven't been outdoors as much as usual by this time of year. I thought this was allergies, too - and probably I had some of that going on the week before.

Switching the Vitamin D formulation made a big difference - I'm tolerating this one much better.

This is already feeling like it's passing over. Not terrible - I got sick on Friday at about 4:45pm, and I'm hoping I can sing through tonight's rehearsal ;)

Thanks for your thoughts!

Love,
Sara

Post by **tex** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:58 pm

Sara,

You're probably right. Research shows that Crohn's disease causes vitamin D depletion, so I'm guessing that if anyone were to ever go to the trouble of researching the same issue for MC, they would find that MC also leads to reduced vitamin D levels. Since it's also known that low vitamin D levels can actually cause Crohn's disease, (and by extension, probably MC, also), that makes the entire package a self-perpetuating event, unless we intervene by supplementing with adequate levels of vitamin D.

Good luck with your vocal stamina during the rehearsal.

Love,
Tex

Joefnh · Post by **Joefnh** » Tue May 31, 2011 5:26 pm

You know it may be coincidence but the Crohns and the MC really kicked up after my first flu shot ever.

I work with the goverment and had to get the shot to visit certain military bases.

3 months later I was in the hospital with a very bad flare and a colonoscopy....

Now to be fair I had symptoms for several years that were probably early indicators of a coming problem.

Joe

Post by **tex** » Tue May 31, 2011 6:08 pm

Joe wrote:3 months later I was in the hospital with a very bad flare and a colonoscopy....

If you had a flashing neon sign showing the status of your immune system, it probably would have read "TILT" after you had that flu shot.

Tex

MBombardier · Post by **MBombardier** » Tue May 31, 2011 7:37 pm

Joe, great pic!!

Speaking of working for the government, my father, USAF Colonel (Ret.) used to give himself his own shots...with a ballpoint pen. Yup, he hated shots, so since he was in charge, he just filled out his own shot record.

He was probably not the only one who did that, lol.