Celestial Seasonings Holiday Teas

sarkin · Post by **sarkin** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:51 pm

Robin, on the bright side.... why would we need an emulsifier in TEA??? so you are about to discover a better tea blend, I am sure

I am drinking a couple of flavors of "tulsi tea" that I like, and also use single-herb teas from Alvita brand - I sometimes mix a few together, if I'm making a pot of tea.

Tex, you are talking about something that has been much on my mind, without adequate vocabulary - about the difference between gluten intolerance and the other sensitivities, intolerances, reactivity we experience. I feel as though casein is as permanently/absolutely doomed as gluten for me. And I wonder, if we could understand the difference between these types of reactions - the science of which we do know something about - and others... would that help us predict anything? Would it enable those with multiple intolerances to sort them out more easily? Does having IgA antibodies to the "11 antigenic foods" panel from Enterolab mean the same thing (they do not believe so, as I understand it) - and are those results less "fixed" than those for gluten?

And - if a genetically gluten-sensitive person had never eaten gluten, would at least some of these other sensitivities still occur? Clearly true food allergies work very differently. (And here's a really big question - is anyone treating patients like this as curious about this as we are???)

Thank you, BTW, for my gold star on another thread ;) I'm going to try not to show it off to my Thanksgiving guests too much (it would just confuse them, after all). But it does mean something very sweet to me!

xox/S

Post by **tex** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:41 pm

Sara wrote:and are those results less "fixed" than those for gluten?

Apparently, (though I don't know exactly why).

Sara wrote:And - if a genetically gluten-sensitive person had never eaten gluten, would at least some of these other sensitivities still occur?

Now that's the 64 dollar question, IMO. Of course, one can't actually be sensitive to gluten, without ever eating it. IMO, in that situation, other food sensitivities would not occur, because I believe they occur due to molecular mimicry.

Sara wrote:is anyone treating patients like this as curious about this as we are???

I doubt it.

You're most welcome, of course.

Love,
Tex

Lesley · Post by **Lesley** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:21 am

I just noticed that I am drinking celestial seasonings tea with soy lecithin.

I ate goat's milk cheese last night, with no D results.

This makes me wonder if eating/drinking some things to which I am sensitive is causing the C rather than the D. Last week I ate SOMETHING that set of D. I don't know what it was, but I wish I could find it now. I am more in the C cycle than the D, but I am either in one or the other.

With all my restrictions nothing is helping and I am not healing.

sarkin · Post by **sarkin** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:49 am

Lesley,

ABSOLUTELY foods can cause C as well as D. I would think goat cheese might be one of those, for some people.

Also, you might be cycling between the two, and not having exactly the same reaction to each food each time. (In the same way, some foods give me a worse reaction when I'm tired, or when I've run into an unfriendly food relatively recently.)

Sara

Post by **tex** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:24 pm

As Sara mentioned, dairy and gluten are notorious for causing long-term C problems, and most people never suspect them. Soy, I'm not so sure of. IOW, I really don't know if it can be linked with C, or not. Virtually every digestive issue connected with soy, that I've ever heard of, involved D.

Yep, Celestial Seasonings has really screwed up their teas by putting soy lecithins in them. The backlash against soy may eventually come back to bite them in the butt, but I supposes they feel that the lecithin is necessary to help keep all the ingredients mixed. IOW, the problem, (as usual), is products with too many ingredients. Plain, ordinary tea, shouldn't contain any soy lecithin, because where wouldn't be any purpose to it.

Tex

Lesley · Post by **Lesley** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:46 pm

Sara and Tex.
I KNOW foods cause C. That's established, but I am wondering if THIS C is an MC C rather than an ordinary C, like our D is specific to MC.

Sara, I don't know that the goat cheese caused it. I only had it last night to try to get moving.

I JUST DID get moving thank heavens. I don't know what caused it because I have taken and eaten so many things to get it to happen in desperation. Now I have to go back to cutting things out, while taking more stool softeners alongside the Norco. Then I can try to add things and see what happens.

I am so glad I got going, though I feel horrible. This is not Norman. And I feel like I have bad flu. Exhausted and aching all over.

This is SO complicated!

Post by **tex** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:30 pm

Lesley wrote:but I am wondering if THIS C is an MC C rather than an ordinary C, like our D is specific to MC.

It probably is, but that's impossible to say, with any certainty, because narcotic painkillers are a wildcard. The definition of "ordinary C" is debatable, also, because when "ordinary C" becomes chronic, is it still ordinary? It probably transitions into MC, at some point, (but few people ever realize that, unless something more serious happens).

Tex

Lesley · Post by **Lesley** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:26 pm

Which it did for me. It went into uncontrollable D type MC, which finally was dx'd.
Today I got relief, but although it wasn't full scale watery D it was still mucous-ey. Not Norman. I'll take that any day over non stop. 24/7 watery D.

I would love to equal the epiphany you had when you FINALLY felt GOOD!

Robin · Post by **Robin** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:35 pm

Hi Sara,

Where do you get your tea's from? I just brought all of my tea's to work today in a nice little basket with a note on it "Help yourself! ENJOY".

There is a little tea shop not to far from my home. After work tomorrow I will stop by and see what they have.

Do you loose tea or bags?

If I don't get to talk to you have A VERY HAPPY and HEALTHY THANKSGIVING!!

Love Robin

PS I am leaving on Friday morning for Hawaii and will be back on Dec. 7th. I will try to pop in and say hi. If not I will talk to you when I get back.

Lesley · Post by **Lesley** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:42 pm

Have fun Robin! I am happy you are going.

Gloria · Post by **Gloria** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:54 am

Have a great trip, Robin!

Gloria

MBombardier · Post by **MBombardier** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:32 pm

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com

I LOVE Mountain Rose Herbs!! This is where I get my teas and all the supplies (including containers) that I use to make lip balm, etc. Many, if not most of the teas are loose leaf, and they have all sorts of things to make the tea making and drinking an experience to savor. I thought their prices were high until I realized what a miniscule portion actually goes into one cup of tea. Their prices are actually quite reasonable.

Robin · Post by **Robin** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:33 pm

Hi Marliss,

Thank you so much for the link. Wow they have a lot of tea's! I guess I am going to be come a real tea coinsurer.

Gloria and Lesley

Thank you for best wishes on my trip. I really cant wait to get away. It been a very very long year.

Talk to you all when I get back
Stay well!
Robin

Beth · Post by **Beth** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:28 pm

Robin - tea is a world unto itself, one worth exploring. In most malls these days are the wonderful tea stores, Teavana. I would recommend going to one of them and trying out some of their loose leaf teas (just smelling them is amazing!). In particular, I love the vanilla honeybush mixed with South African rooibos - it's absolutely delicious! I'm so converted to tea that I brew about 2-3 pots/day, though these days I'm just drinking plain rooibos just to be safe.

Have fun figuring out new teas!
Elizabeth

Beth · Post by **Beth** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:33 pm

Oh, and I just saw Marliss's link to Mountain Rose Herb teas - I completely agree that they're amazing. But if you don't want to buy tea sight unseen (or smelled) at this point, Teavana is a wonderful place to start. Then, Upton Tea and Mountain Rose Herbs and MEM teas are really worth looking into.