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Hey guys a month ago I posted for the first time and I was frustrated with my situation. I have been taking one imodium a day in the morning and no more D. I can deal with the muscle and joint pain. My question is does a white tongue that is not thrush part of the symptoms. I have had a white tongue since I got diagnosed with m.c. My dr. Told me that white tongue just happens and not to worry about it. Any help would
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Hi Laz,
A white tongue is somewhat common with MC. I suppose your doctor might be correct in saying that a white tongue "just happens" with MC, but it may or may not be something to worry about. It's almost certainly thrush, and it usually indicates a candida overgrowth in your digestive tract. For those of us who have it, and who use diet to control our MC, that symptom usually fades away as we get our other MC symptoms under control, because we typically find it necessary to avoid many/most sources of sugar, (and most carbs), in our diet, and that will slowly starve the candida, and get it back under control. For someone who does not use diet changes as part of their MC treatment, I have no idea if the yeast will go away on it's own. My guess would be - probably not. Probiotics might help, but as far as I'm aware, no one has been able to use probiotics alone to control a candida overgrowth.
Strangely, most MDs don't seem to realize that candida overgrowth can be a serious digestive system problem, (and it's not, of course, in a normal, healthy digestive system). In those of us with digestive systems compromised by an IBD, or dysbiosis, however, yeast can be a major problem, and it can be very difficult to control. The problem is that with most IBDs, the leaky gut syndrome is often a satellite issue, (it's the cause of the joint and muscle aches and pains), and the roots of the candida penetrate the tight junctions of the epithelia, in the intestines, forcing them to remain open, and thereby causing the leaky gut syndrome a become chronic problem.
I had that problem, (a white tongue). when I was trying to recover, but after eliminating all but traces of sugar from my diet, for over a year, (along with my other diet changes), the problem resolved, without the need to take any drugs to help kill the yeast. As my MC symptoms faded away, so did the yeast.
Most people who seek treatment for a yeast overgrowth find it necessary to locate a good naturopath who is familiar with treating the problem.
Remember, I'm not a doctor - this is just my experience, and my opinion.
Tex
A white tongue is somewhat common with MC. I suppose your doctor might be correct in saying that a white tongue "just happens" with MC, but it may or may not be something to worry about. It's almost certainly thrush, and it usually indicates a candida overgrowth in your digestive tract. For those of us who have it, and who use diet to control our MC, that symptom usually fades away as we get our other MC symptoms under control, because we typically find it necessary to avoid many/most sources of sugar, (and most carbs), in our diet, and that will slowly starve the candida, and get it back under control. For someone who does not use diet changes as part of their MC treatment, I have no idea if the yeast will go away on it's own. My guess would be - probably not. Probiotics might help, but as far as I'm aware, no one has been able to use probiotics alone to control a candida overgrowth.
Strangely, most MDs don't seem to realize that candida overgrowth can be a serious digestive system problem, (and it's not, of course, in a normal, healthy digestive system). In those of us with digestive systems compromised by an IBD, or dysbiosis, however, yeast can be a major problem, and it can be very difficult to control. The problem is that with most IBDs, the leaky gut syndrome is often a satellite issue, (it's the cause of the joint and muscle aches and pains), and the roots of the candida penetrate the tight junctions of the epithelia, in the intestines, forcing them to remain open, and thereby causing the leaky gut syndrome a become chronic problem.
I had that problem, (a white tongue). when I was trying to recover, but after eliminating all but traces of sugar from my diet, for over a year, (along with my other diet changes), the problem resolved, without the need to take any drugs to help kill the yeast. As my MC symptoms faded away, so did the yeast.
Most people who seek treatment for a yeast overgrowth find it necessary to locate a good naturopath who is familiar with treating the problem.
Remember, I'm not a doctor - this is just my experience, and my opinion.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Here's an interesting article I read about the link between Candida and gluten sensitivity. I'm not sure how credible the source is, but it's interesting.
And check out the anti-Candida Yes/No foods. I'm not sure why brown rice and fruit are OK, but that's fine by me!
http://www.mccombsplan.com/new/the_plan/yesnofoods.php
http://healthiertalk.com/connecting-glu ... icans-4644the use of antibiotics leads to the development of fungal Candida albicans infections. This in turn can lead to cross-over allergic reactions to gluten and may trigger celiac disease in individuals
And check out the anti-Candida Yes/No foods. I'm not sure why brown rice and fruit are OK, but that's fine by me!
http://www.mccombsplan.com/new/the_plan/yesnofoods.php
If what he says about the peptide similarities between the HWP-1 amino acid, and the alpha-gliadin and gamma-gliadin amino acid sequences, is true, then that's a very profound observation, and it certainly sounds logical to me. I wish he had stated a reference on it, though. I've seen that information somewhere else, in the past. I'll see if I can find it again.
I like his last sentence in the article:
His article on cholesterol seems to be pretty sensibie:
http://healthiertalk.com/truth-about-lo ... terol-4625
Tex
I like his last sentence in the article:
To check to see if you have an inherited celiac condition, check Google for a reputable lab like Enterolab.
His article on cholesterol seems to be pretty sensibie:
http://healthiertalk.com/truth-about-lo ... terol-4625
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Yep, here it is:
Note what the part that I have emphasized in red actually implies: It says that when the yeast attaches to the cell wall of the intestinal epithelia, the covalent link causes the immune system to react against the infected intestinal cells, (not just against the yeast itself). This is an important distinction, because it verifies that this is a true autoimmune reaction, and not just collateral damage, due to the immune system attacking the yeast. The immune system actually tries to kill the cells in the intestinal wall, that are infected by the yeast.
The amino acid sequence similarity in the corresponding peptides in gluten, (alpha-gliadin and gamma-gliadin), means that the immune system also assigns this attribute to those peptides as well, whenever those peptides attempt to attach to cells in the intestinal wall, resulting in an autoimmune response. This is known as cellular mimicry.
If this concept is valid, then yeast overgrowth may be the actual trigger for celiac disease, and possibly for MC, as well. Gluten simply got caught up in the crossfire, because of it's peptide similarities to the HWP-1 peptide in candida. Note that casein, (and probably all of the other proteins to which we react), has/have peptides similar to the alpha-gliadin sequence, (or possibly one of the other primary gliadin or glutenin peptides), to which we react, so that the cellular mimicry effect is extended to them, as well.
Therefore, this concept should be true whether someone actually has celiac disease, or a type of non-celiac gluten-sensitivity, instead, (such as most of us).
Tex
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12826451Abstract
Coeliac disease is a T-cell-mediated autoimmune disease of the small intestine that is induced by ingestion of gluten proteins from wheat, barley, or rye. We postulate that Candida albicans is a trigger in the onset of coeliac disease. The virulence factor of C albicans-hyphal wall protein 1 (HWP1)-contains amino acid sequences that are identical or highly homologous to known coeliac disease-related alpha-gliadin and gamma-gliadin T-cell epitopes. HWP1 is a transglutaminase substrate, and is used by C albicans to adhere to the intestinal epithelium. Furthermore, tissue transglutaminase and endomysium components could become covalently linked to the yeast. Subsequently, C albicans might function as an adjuvant that stimulates antibody formation against HWP1 and gluten, and formation of autoreactive antibodies against tissue transglutaminase and endomysium.
Note what the part that I have emphasized in red actually implies: It says that when the yeast attaches to the cell wall of the intestinal epithelia, the covalent link causes the immune system to react against the infected intestinal cells, (not just against the yeast itself). This is an important distinction, because it verifies that this is a true autoimmune reaction, and not just collateral damage, due to the immune system attacking the yeast. The immune system actually tries to kill the cells in the intestinal wall, that are infected by the yeast.
The amino acid sequence similarity in the corresponding peptides in gluten, (alpha-gliadin and gamma-gliadin), means that the immune system also assigns this attribute to those peptides as well, whenever those peptides attempt to attach to cells in the intestinal wall, resulting in an autoimmune response. This is known as cellular mimicry.
If this concept is valid, then yeast overgrowth may be the actual trigger for celiac disease, and possibly for MC, as well. Gluten simply got caught up in the crossfire, because of it's peptide similarities to the HWP-1 peptide in candida. Note that casein, (and probably all of the other proteins to which we react), has/have peptides similar to the alpha-gliadin sequence, (or possibly one of the other primary gliadin or glutenin peptides), to which we react, so that the cellular mimicry effect is extended to them, as well.
Therefore, this concept should be true whether someone actually has celiac disease, or a type of non-celiac gluten-sensitivity, instead, (such as most of us).
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.