raw apples

scrowley · Post by **scrowley** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:22 pm

I had a good week last week and always when i feel better i start adding and craving more foods, so last night i had a smoothie out of raw apple without skin and banana and i also ate lots of GF banana bread and some GF ginger snaps and tonight, i have a good dose of D and i am working table at the same time, not fun.
i feel like crap, does anyone on this eat apples like this and get a response?
i am trying to figure out why i am getting diarrhea again.
i have been enjoying smoothies with banana and cantaloupe but ran out of the cantaloupe and this time of the year there doesnt seem to be much fruit out there to choose from only apples.
Does anyone have an idea would i be getting the D from the apples or the overdose of sweet breads etc i am eating.
which would be more likely to trigger it?
i would really appreciate anyones opinion.
thanks alot,
sheila

Post by **tex** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:32 am

Sheila wrote:i am trying to figure out why i am getting diarrhea again.

Well, it was probably a combination of things, but mostly due to raw apple. Fruits present a double whammy to anyone with MC, until their intestines finish healing. Not only are they loaded with fiber, but they contain high levels of fructose, (which no one digests well, so it's an even bigger problem for someone with MC). As you can see from the values at the link below, apples contain more than three times the amount of fructose as cantelope, (and many of us couldn't even tolerate the cantelope, before we heal).

http://www.reducetriglycerides.com/read ... _fruit.htm

Also, when I was recovering, I had to limit amounts of banana bread, because I would react if I ate too much of it.

It could be something else, of course, but IMO, the apple is the most likely suspect.

You're most welcome,
Tex

carolm · Post by **carolm** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:41 am

So is it better to eat applesauce than raw apples? Or does it depend on the sugar content? I'm thinking of the BRAT diet. I've eaten raw apples without the skin and have not had problems with it.... but why push my luck right now when I'm trying to get over the D I've had every morning since Tuesday?

Carol

Post by **tex** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:12 am

Carol,

If you can handle apples, you should be able to handle applesauce. It might be a good idea to wait until the D is gone, though, just in case.

Tex

carolm · Post by **carolm** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:26 am

Tex, thanks. I think I will be cautious and not eat apples in any form for now. I can't eat bananas-- almost instantly my stomach burns and my face itches around my mouth--- so obviously they are out of the question. I'll stick with the modified BRAT for now-- which is more of the R diet, since I can't eat apples, bananas and am gluten free. Oh well.....

Back to rice and chicken broth. It's worth it to heal.

Carol

Post by **tex** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:55 pm

Carol,

Hmmmmm. That sounds like a mast cell reaction. Bananas don't have a high histamine content, but they are one of the foods known to cause histamine release from existing mast cells, for people who are sensitive to such mast cell reactions. Foods that cause mast cells to degranulate include:

Alcohol
Bananas
Chocolate
Eggs
Fish
Milk
Papayas
Pineapple
Shellfish
Strawberries
Tomatoes

http://www.michiganallergy.com/food_and_histamine.shtml

Tex

sarkin · Post by **sarkin** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:21 pm

Sheila,

I have been tolerating apples for a long time - one of the first "iffy" foods I could re-add (doesn't mean they'd work for you, as Tex points out!)... I'd also be very suspicious of the sweetners in your GF sweet breads and ginger snaps. In fact, you might take a magnifying glass to the label of those, if you didn't make them yourself.

That's why I don't eat those foods - because they have so many ingredients that I just don't have the mental energy to test (various starches, gums, etc.) - at least not while I'm still working on testing Real Ingredients. I think it's a form of laziness, quite honestly, but it gives me a simple set of rules that works, while I heal. I hope you find your own "simple rules" that keep you feeling good.

Also - I always suspect that cravings are telling me something. It's just that the message isn't what it seems to be...

Feel better,

Sara

draperygoddess · Post by **draperygoddess** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:31 pm

I have been avoiding apples due to the high fiber content--they just don't seem to sit well. I make my own GF banana bread, which I love, but I can't eat too much of it--not sure if it's due to the bananas or something else. To me, it seems an excess of any food can upset the balance, even if it's a "good" food. Maybe you just overdid it all the way around. I have that same tendency--when I feel good, I want to go try lots of things at once, and then if I get sick I can't figure out what did it!

Kari · Post by **Kari** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:39 pm

with you Cynthia - too much of anything (whether good or bad) spells big trouble for me.

Sheila - when I read your post, my immediate reaction was that you probably overdid it with the banana bread and ginger snaps, and when you put those 2 together with the apple, you got trouble. Any one of them by themselves and in moderation might have worked fine. Incidentally, if you are OK with eating potatoes, they have more potassium than bananas, so you might consider substituting them.

Love,
Kari

scrowley · Post by **scrowley** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:37 am

hi there,
Thanks for the very nice replies.
Yeah its probably a combination.
when i feel good, i am so hungry and craving to eat more food.
the banana bead was GF and i made it myself but it tasted so good, i just kept eating it.
giving up dairy and gluten leaves little for me to eat so when i feel good, i just want to eat like before at least with fruits and something i baked,
i never seem to have enough variety of food in he house that i cn eat anymore, its a pain.
today i feel dodgy but no D yet but very close.
i am now off the entocort 3 weeks and now i am begining to feel just like i did before entcort so back to square one.
my husband buys cases of fruit and its all apples these days or pomegranate, not much else out there.
thanks alot,
sheila

scrowley · Post by **scrowley** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:41 am

yeah i think cynthia its so true too much of anything other than BRAT diet for me seems to be a problem.

sarkin · Post by **sarkin** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:09 am

Sheila,

I think the problem for a lot of us was that our diets were centered around foods we can no longer have (otherwise this we wouldn't say things like this:

giving up dairy and gluten leaves little for me to eat

As for having enough variety of food in the house - it took us a long time to get a handle on the New Normal around here - we just kept running out of foods that worked. And the last thing you feel like doing when you feel lousy is meal planning and shopping. It's essential to figure out reasonably convenient, safe foods, and have a few basics on hand, otherwise you do wind up eating a whole lot more banana bread than you meant to. (Or in my case, potato chips... always potato chips.)

Sara

Lesley · Post by **Lesley** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:27 am

(Or in my case, potato chips... always potato chips

Me too. And nothing in corn oil.

scrowley · Post by **scrowley** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:39 pm

i hear you, I am so hungry all the time.
i did eat the potato chips today but only half the bag as the kids finished off the rest but i am sure i will pay for it.
i make my own GF bread which I LIKE, but it takes 2,5hours to make that i dont want to eat all of it as i dont have time for that every other day so then i am starving looking for other foods to eat.
its a great diet, you overeat and you pay!

sarkin · Post by **sarkin** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:41 am

Sheila,

I don't feel as though I overeat, or overpay. My husband and I have always shared a love of food, and have never made our food choices *primarily* based on price (and we are fortunate that we are able to elect other priorities, I do realize that).

I think the expense is somewhat greater when we try to replicate foods that the gluten-eaters rely on, whether commercially bought or homemade. I rarely eat those things or make them, and though we are eating more meat now, that expense seems pretty much to offset by eating out a little less, and grabbing much less "on the go" food. But my appetite is more steady and stable, so I don't have the kind of hunger emergencies that make it a hardship that I can't grab a slice of pizza any more.

A lot of people are eating more cheaply than we are, but that was true before MC. And a lot of what's available on the cheap isn't treating those folks much better than it used to treat me, from what I can see - and I don't mean that to be a snarky comment on the so-called obesity epidemic. People no longer pop Rolaids and Tums like candy; now even more people are living on Nexium and - whatever those other OTC things are. I know a lot of people who feel truly lousy, pretty often, and think that's normal. But I'm the one with the 'condition' - right?

--Sara